[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Livia

I wouldn't trust this government.

I hate this bunch. quicker they are gone the better, they disgust me .

[MTVN]

I mean things get confused and move fast in any war so I wouldn't be too critical of our government or the tourists themselves. Back in 2022 I visited Ukraine ten days before Russia invaded so I was very close to needing to be bailed out by our government then part of my reason for going ahead with the trip was thinking our government would take care of British tourists and issue new advice if things did get a bit more hairy but I never imagined that things would unfold as they did

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I mean things get confused and move fast in any war so I wouldn't be too critical of our government or the tourists themselves. Back in 2022 I visited Ukraine ten days before Russia invaded so I was very close to needing to be bailed out by our government then part of my reason for going ahead with the trip was thinking our government would take care of British tourists and issue new advice if things did get a bit more hairy but I never imagined that things would unfold as they did

I remember you doing this and thinking you were a bit crazy

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I remember you doing this and thinking you were a bit crazy

Perfectly judged in the end

[Ammi]

…I mean in the end, to get home you would have to trust the government’s arrangements surely…who else would you trust and how else would you get home…apparently with some first flights out, there were many panic attacks and I can understand that but the alternative would be to stay in an uncertain situation that is developing and escalating rapidly…it really would be a rock and a hard place for any mistrust, but I can’t see an alternative…those poor terrified people have to trust in flights that are entering airspace which is filled with hostile fire atm…sadly all they have is trust…

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I mean in the end, to get home you would have to trust the government’s arrangements surely…who else would you trust and how else would you get home…apparently with some first flights out, there were many panic attacks and I can understand that but the alternative would be to stay in an uncertain situation that is developing and escalating rapidly…it really would be a rock and a hard place for any mistrust, but I can’t see an alternative…those poor terrified people have to trust in flights that are entering airspace which is filled with hostile fire atm…sadly all they have is trust…

This is an interesting read

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...6ca8049f5&ei=8

Just two experiences, how many more are getting the runaround like this?

‘For now I’m just trying my hardest to get some information from the airline or embassy but nobody gets back to us. It is so upsetting

Emma claimed that British Airways told her to go to the bombed Dubai airport to seek help with accommodation, which is costing her £350 a day.

This can’t be paid for by her insurance because they don’t cover ‘war’, she added.

The mum said the British Embassy told her to ‘stay inside’ and ask local charities to help with funding.

Calling on the government to do more to help Brits, the learning support assistant, from Middlesborough said: ‘British Airways and the government have 100% failed their own.

‘The airline told me the only way they can help with accommodation is if I go to the airport and speak to ground staff.

‘I said, “is that a joke?”, the airport has been bombed twice.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

This is an interesting read

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...6ca8049f5&ei=8

…that’s very reminiscent of all of those poor terrified people confined and trapped on cruise ships when COVID hit the world…

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

This is an interesting read

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...6ca8049f5&ei=8

Just two experiences, how many more are getting the runaround like this?

‘For now I’m just trying my hardest to get some information from the airline or embassy but nobody gets back to us. It is so upsetting

Emma claimed that British Airways told her to go to the bombed Dubai airport to seek help with accommodation, which is costing her £350 a day.

This can’t be paid for by her insurance because they don’t cover ‘war’, she added.

The mum said the British Embassy told her to ‘stay inside’ and ask local charities to help with funding.

Calling on the government to do more to help Brits, the learning support assistant, from Middlesborough said: ‘British Airways and the government have 100% failed their own.

‘The airline told me the only way they can help with accommodation is if I go to the airport and speak to ground staff.

‘I said, “is that a joke?”, the airport has been bombed twice.

…oh, I think I must have been reading a different bit there…we have friends who work/live in Dubai and the one thing that they’re screaming at us is not to read the UK media as it’s such an inaccurate source of anything…I guess this is what was said in the thread above that is conflicted in that the Dubai government are covering all extra accommodation/expenses etc so I’m not sure whether that’s not being realised by people or…I’m just being very selective in receiving information of the terrifying situation because I fear that it can be quite selective, which only enhances fears and worries…

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…oh, I think I must have been reading a different bit there…we have friends who work/live in Dubai and the one thing that they’re screaming at us is not to read the UK media as it’s such an inaccurate source of anything…I guess this is what was said in the thread above that is conflicted in that the Dubai government are covering all extra accommodation/expenses etc so I’m not sure whether that’s not being realised by people or…I’m just being very selective in receiving information of the terrifying situation because I fear that it can be quite selective, which only enhances fears and worries…

i think the issue is that everything can be true at the same time. Insurance don't pay up in these circumstances. The Dubai authorities may well pay for extended stays, but not if they don't know the people affected etc etc

Historically, the UK has never been good at getting citizens out of a jam. They usually don't really care. That is coming from watching their reaction to events over decades. We need to accept that the government and embassies really don't give a crap.

The government have so far chartered 1 plane to get citizens back ..... let that sink in ..... 1 plane

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

i think the issue is that everything can be true at the same time. Insurance don't pay up in these circumstances. The Dubai authorities may well pay for extended stays, but not if they don't know the people affected etc etc

Historically, the UK has never been good at getting citizens out of a jam. They usually don't really care. That is coming from watching their reaction to events over decades. We need to accept that the government and embassies really don't give a crap.

The government have so far chartered 1 plane to get citizens back ..... let that sink in ..... 1 plane

…honestly I don’t need to let it sink in because I have no understanding of safe airspace in terms of the safety of getting passengers home so that’s not something that I can be critical of and I know that other country governments are facing the same issues, obviously…when it comes to ‘trust’ in unpredictable circumstances like this that have many risk factors, there are really very few alternatives other than trust…governments in general and most definitely U.K. governments over the last decades are very ill prepared but then these are world events and circumstances that have to be worked through as and when they happen….and as I’ve said, all U.K. media’s are the most untrustworthy in their false information…

[Cherie]

Yeah I don't doubt the media are obviously hysterical that said living in Dubai and being on holiday and desperate to get home are two different things we have all been on the wrong end of a delayed plane and that's bad enough but not knowing when you will get out is a whole different ballgame the airspace is closed so they will have to travel to get out and like BOTs said it's been a week and one plane ...abysmal

[bots]

None of the strikes coming in are unknown. They can track the missiles for a long time. The danger is that air defence systems think that a charter plane is an enemy missile and shoot it down by mistake.

Everything looks unpredictable and a mess because that is the impression they want people to have. The fact is that the strikes are entirely predictable and they have huge amounts of advance warning

[Ammi]

….this is only a small part of a complete article but I think ‘slowly’ is going to sadly be what we see atm for many countries and many governments…and everyone getting home safely is the most important thing which is what everyone I’m sure is striving to do…

It will likely be a “messy” month for airlines operating throughout the Middle East as travellers stuck in major transit hubs are slowly rerouted and repatriated after days of turmoil due to the ongoing conflict in Iran.

Experts say airlines are well-versed in disruptions, with entire teams dedicated to what is known as “irregular operations”. But while minor issues can be resolved in a matter of days, the sheer scale of the airline industry that operates in the region will be a complex puzzle that will take much longer to work through.

Dubai international airport is one of the busiest in the world, with more than 95 million passengers transiting through in 2025 alone. Doha’s Hamad international airport handled more than 54 million. Both have been shuttered for days.

[Ammi]

…I guess for me ultimately the question wouldn’t be would I trust my government but more, what choice would I have…people are being faced with extraordinary circumstances and very few choices…/… citizens of this country and many others…

[bots]

They won't have a problem with accommodation and catering though because no-one new is coming in. They have a predictable situation regarding passenger needs and we are now a week into it all, so really, no-one should be having problems. The frequency of attacks is going down, so everyone is really ok for now given the circumstances.

It's human nature to want to get the hell out of there as quick as they can, but, if people just relaxed and enjoyed themselves, its probably the best holiday they ever had

[Ammi]

…well maybe actually I’m reframing my thoughts atm because I am aware of some things which have been terribly ‘dramatised’ by the media to the point of completely misleading…why the need to ‘dramatise’ an already terrifying situation, it doesn’t need that, does it…?…there is sufficient ‘worrying enough information and media legs in truth and fact’…but maybe that media portrayal is to excuse/cover up/distract from etc an extremely bad plan to get people home…I mean, we just don’t know ….

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…well maybe actually I’m reframing my thoughts atm because I am aware of some things which have been terribly ‘dramatised’ by the media to the point of completely misleading…why the need to ‘dramatise’ an already terrifying situation, it doesn’t need that, does it…?…there is sufficient ‘worrying enough information and media legs in truth and fact’…but maybe that media portrayal is to excuse/cover up/distract from etc an extremely bad plan to get people home…I mean, we just don’t know ….

to me it's reminiscent of the times during covid. Everyone knew it was a bad situation, and what did the media do? They rammed it down our throats 24/7. There are times when its good that the media is involved, to hold government etc accountable, but then they go too far. We don't need to know that iran sent a load of missiles/drones and that they were blown up .... well maybe one time to reassure people, but after that .... who cares. Ukraine gets hit by more missiles every night than any of our stupidly wealthy "allies" in the middle east. They have more air defence than ukraine has ever had, but how much have we heard on ukraine recently? .... and that's happening on our door step

[bots]

America have returned 24k people, the UK 4k people

[Cherie]

Dubai airport has partially reopened so that will give some relief as Emirates, British Airways and Ethihad are all flying people out


I have heard stories of people getting themselves bussed or taxied to Saudi and Oman, one couple were dropped at the Saudi Border as the taxi did not have a visa to cross into Saudi the walk to the border was 3 miles but a pilgrimage coach picked them up and took them across

[Ammi]

Virgin Atlantic to suspend Dubai operations after 16-hour ‘flight to nowhere’


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/virgin-atl...224715880.html

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Cherie

As I understand it airfares have gone through the roof as the insurance companies have naturally upped the ante, not everyone who goes on holiday as BOTS said is minted, people save and treat themselves

The same happened during Covid. The cost for me to come home was extortionate, but I had no choice.