[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by InOne

The God of the Bible, that is what i'm asking...

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[InOne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

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[Stu]

Chewy hit the nail on the head with science. It is useless as an end unto itself. It's just applying names to things and explaining how they work. It does not make said things less amazing.

Hardcore Christianity and hardcore Atheism are both as bad as the other.

Question for Sticks : Do you believe in the theory of evolution? And more to the point, would you consider yourself creationist? Because Jesus was. The original sin of Adam & Eve was the entire reason for God being made flesh to redeem us, and Jesus believes in both Adam & Eve, and the flood/Noah's ark as being factual.

One thing I don't like is people trying to have there cake and eat it. From where I stand, the fact that the earth is more than a few thousand years old [fact] and the Bible utterly cannot co-exist. I once too tried to accept Jesus, and that lovely, peaceful New Testament vibe, but it fulfills and exists with the Old Testament. One cannot exist without the other.

Here is another theory of mine : What if Jesus WAS an incredible miracle worker, but was NOT the son of the God of the abrahamic religions?

After all, he was raised as a Jew. If you or I were raised as a Jew back then, and if you or I discovered we had incredible healing powers, obviously we would attribute them to our believed religion.

[arista]

There Is No God.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by arista

There Is No God.

There is something, that's for sure.

Unless your suggesting nothing came from nothing, and nothing then merged with a few more nothings to create more nothings ... which eventually some whacky ****ing way down the line splurted out a civilization capable of constructing nuclear bombs and cheese pizzas.

[arista]

We did not cone from Any God.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The basic premiss of that wheel is wrong. The Bible simply does not tell us, it demonstrates through eyewitness accounts, prophesy that is proved (time and time) true and archaeological evidential support as well as an avalanche of manuscript support. 2000 years later from the birth of Christ and noone has ever even remotely come up with a decent argument against the very basics of Christianity - hence the number of adherents across the globe.

One word :

DINOSAURS.

Hahahahahahah!

One would figure they would pop up in the bible somewhere, you know. And you are seriously deluded, and this is a fact kids, if you think Christianity has a huge number of adherents because they allllllllll participated in coherent online philosophical debates, and not because of ... i dunno ... tradition? Handing down of family values/religion? The millions of ordinary people who are christian by default because they don't bother to question?

And where is Jesus? Why should this debate even be taking place? What about people in the far reaches of the globe who have never even heard of him? Are they too going to suffer eternal damnation because they don't understand God's infinite love for them? [irony on a base level, but it's a hoot].

Why leave it to be written down on such an easily edited format?

Why visit such a small number of people in his lifetime?

Why attribute every possible good thing that happens in the world to being a 'miracle' when ignoring all the bad that happens?

And WHO I ask again, recorded what Jesus said in the garden? I thought all the apostles were taking a snooze?

If Jesus IS God, fair enough, but I would not put him in charge of sending out memos in MY ****ing office block .

Originally Posted by arista

We did not cone from Any God.

Your thinking too narrow. We definately came about in some esoteric/mystical and scientifically unexplainable way. Science cant boot itself up from zero. A car cant build itself from nothing in an empty warehouse.

[arista]

Probe Eight



Read this Great Book.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by arista

Probe Eight
Read this Great Book.

I have read it, and I think it is complete rubbish. Richard Dawkins is a self serving moron and he gives most atheists a bad name. At least the Bible is great fantasy and is big enough to be used as a doorstop.

Once again, I ask you, do you believe nothing came from nothing? Do you believe zero multiplied by zero can give you a number?

[arista]

He is No Moron


It is a Great Book.

[arista]

You can come from a Fish
Still has Fecking All to do with a Fable Bible
or Fake God
Utter Fact.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by arista

You can come from a Fish
Still has Fecking All to do with a Fable Bible
or Fake God
Utter Fact.

Yes, and what did the fish come from? And more to the point, what did the first ever particle of anything come from? Your ignoring the entire point. You seem completely incapable of debate. Your posing it as if it is Dawkins Vs. God and The Bible Vs. Science. It's not that black and white.

I have no time to be arguing with children. Run along and play worship at the church of Dawkins.

[arista]

No Worship or Child here


Nothing is Black or White.

But there is No God.

[Wildcat!]

Arista is a Robot. YOure wasting your time. HE doent really have any argument, and is incapable of analysing another posters arguments. HE just has a few cliche statements, that he posts everytime these subjects come up. Check his background, you wil see, its really mo use, if you want to have a well thought out, intelligent debate. Just come up with some cliches, and yall can go back and forth.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Arista is a Robot. YOure wasting your time. HE doent really have any argument, and is incapable of analysing another posters arguments. HE just has a few cliche statements, that he posts everytime these subjects come up. Check his background, you wil see, its really mo use, if you want to have a well thought out, intelligent debate. Just come up with some cliches, and yall can go back and forth.

Utter Bollocks.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Arista is a Robot. YOure wasting your time. HE doent really have any argument, and is incapable of analysing another posters arguments. HE just has a few cliche statements, that he posts everytime these subjects come up. Check his background, you wil see, its really mo use, if you want to have a well thought out, intelligent debate. Just come up with some cliches, and yall can go back and forth.

LOL, bang on the money. I pity the fool .

I guess some people jumped off the evolution train early. Life in the city.

[MiuMiu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Simply put you are just referring to what you have heard and not what you have read and understood. You mainly refer to some individual Old Testament Scripture but ignore what the New testament says and is about.



How anyone thinks that going to Church once a week for 90 minutes = control is beyond me. Most Christians spend more time per week in Tescos and Asda!

That's taking my post WAY too literally.

The church controls the thoughts of people.
Why is there so much shame placed on women in the world of work and their sexuality and the way they expose their sexual behaviour?
Because the christian church deemed it to be shameful for a woman to suceed in work.
If she does she's a bitch.
And the shame in relation to sex.
If she's as sexual as a man, she's a *****.

It's the same with the shame placed on Gay people.
Christian's believe it to be against God's will for people to be gay.
Therefore the thought process of those that follow christinaity is undoubetly impacted upon by Christianity's opposition to Gay people.
I.e. a chrisitan person walks down a street and see's two women kissing.
Christian then thinks "Oh god. That's SO wrong and unnatural".
Really general example, but it's true.

It's a control of thoughts, ideas and actions as I said before.
Not a control on people to go to mass on a sunday FFS.


And as I said, I think the that Christianity has deviated SO much from what Jesus was probably on about, that it has become it's own thing. It's own monster.

[InOne]

Good you people are not deluded. Anyone who believes is god is deluded lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why is it when there is a debate about the nature of God those who say there is no God resort to insults in either their first or second posts (and subsequent posts)? ie fool, deluded and so forth..

It always suggests the same thing, poor knowledge of the subject matter and a lack of thought about what knowledge is available to them.

It is like playing football with your laces tied together!

[InOne]

Deluded is not an insult lol Just a fact...

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yeh same old unbalanced arguments I see. My question is if some guy finishes his shift at the taxi firm and then goes home and cooks dinner for the homeless in his area because of his devotion to Jesus...are you gonna call this guy a poor deluded fool? Well if yer are Im glad there are poor deluded fools about in this world

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Yeh same old unbalanced arguments I see. My question is if some guy finishes his shift at the taxi firm and then goes home and cooks dinner for the homeless in his area because of his devotion to Jesus...are you gonna call this guy a poor deluded fool? Well if yer are Im glad there are poor deluded fools about in this world

So he has to do it in the name of Jesus? Not in kindness? Try again Netto. Bye.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

So he has to do it in the name of Jesus? Not in kindness? Try again Netto. Bye.

Im talking about real people here who have been inspired by the teachings of Jesus and the Bible I saw him on TV the other week. You have the cheek to call that man deluded for his beliefs, shame on you.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Im talking about real people here who have been inspired by the teachings of Jesus and the Bible I saw him on TV the other week. You have the cheek to call that man deluded for his beliefs, shame on you.

Netto, basically all you seem to be bothered about is getting one over on me. You do not actually care. Should not take the name of some Rabbi who lived 2000 years ago to feed the poor.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Netto, basically all you seem to be bothered about is getting one over on me. You do not actually care. Should not take the name of some Rabbi who lived 2000 years ago to feed the poor.

What the hell does it matter to you why he does it? And I think you'll find Ive always argued the same points time and time again since I joined TIBB...you are but one of a long line of ignoramuses