[Rory]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

Hate to break it to whoever said it, but nobody, and I mean NOBODY outside America considered Einstein 'American'. Also, you shot yourself in the foot with the whole mention of the atomic bomb.

I also hate American humor. British humor is ironic, irreverent and, well, hilarious. American comedy is stupid. And unfortunately our Americanized culture eats it up. But heres a hint : Most people who watch Comedy Central over here are teens. Most people who watch Dave are adults. Our young watch the comedy America's adults watch. Most conventional American comedy shows run something along the lines of :

''Where is my birthday cake?''
''Margery left it in the car, dude!''
''With the dog?''
''Oh noes! The dog!''
''The dog! Oh noes!''

And yes, Americans on Xbox Live are retarded. And yes, I understand every country has it's dopes and smarts, but with regard to the visible exported culture and politics, America is ... well ... abhorrent. Middle class suburban America for the most part is a nightmare. Especially the conservative kind.

Just head to conservapedia and get ready to laugh. Or switch on Fox News. Gawd bless Americah! You ess ay! Whoo!

Somebody on Xbox Live once said to me ''you guys have nothing dude, we got Schwarzenegger mannn!''.

You caught me. Trying to save my ass after a late night comment last night. Shame I was doing my AP Physics homework too.

Anyone on Xbox Live with a mic is retarded. I don't play it myself but just listening to other people play it (whether they're joking around idiodically or getting WAY too into the game, whether they're Australian, American, British, or any other race for that fact) makes me cringe for the state of society. Either way: I don't hate my country, but our TV is the shittest thing ever.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Rory

You caught me. Trying to save my ass after a late night comment last night. Shame I was doing my AP Physics homework too.

Anyone on Xbox Live with a mic is retarded. I don't play it myself but just listening to other people play it (whether they're joking around idiodically or getting WAY too into the game, whether they're Australian, American, British, or any other race for that fact) makes me cringe for the state of society. Either way: I don't hate my country, but our TV is the shittest thing ever.

I've only ever used mine for private chat with my friends xD

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Are you from France?

NO You from London, so you wouldnt know if the French love our humour or not!

So dont make stupid Statments,

I think I know the reason why Americans dont air UK Shows in America, well they air SOME but not the good ones..

Because they know if they do CBS and ABC Would be ****ed and all the Americans would finally see how ****ing amazing our shows are!

DUmbass! YOu assume that I am from London? ANd you call people stupid. For your info, I am from Africa. And I have spent 5 years in France, french is my native language, and we are a french colony, so basically close culture. And I have lived 10 years in the US.
Because someone lives in London, you think they are from here? Idiot!!

And again, your teens are considered the dumbest educated people in Europe, so glass houses comes to mind.


ANd yeah, thats why all of your TV stations export the unfunny american shows. Even the ones that are cancelled that no one gives a fuuk about, are airing here now. YOu call americans dumb, then its dumb and dumber basically.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Rory

Anyone on Xbox Live with a mic is retarded..

You hit the nail on the head. I don't bother even using it anymore. Either people are obnoxious, or nobody actually talks. Seriously. Unless you are with your mates in a highly competitive game I have NEVER heard people in any games I have played on it actually talk strategy or whatnot.

As for hating/loving my country, I love the attitude of the typical Irish person [my house is falling down, I have no job, sure jaysus we will be alright. Lets have a dance]. But I am not patriotic about the country itself. Patriotism is just a delusion. A system of control. Did you actually choose your country before birth? Of course not.

Borders existed and borders were broken. Countries were discovered and countries were conquered. It's nothing. Just a plot of land a political system governs.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

ANd yeah, thats why all of your TV stations export the unfunny american shows. Even the ones that are cancelled that no one gives a fuuk about, are airing here now. YOu call americans dumb, then its dumb and dumber basically.

I think you should know the difference between importing and exporting, and realize which country Patrick is actually from, before calling people dumb.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

No, it's because Americans don't get our shows. Seriously. I am not being racist, but it is provable. They cant understand them. They just don't get irony. This is common knowledge.

Then a lot of Americans are too sensitive. That's why even a lot of AMERICAN comedians like Bill Hicks had to come to England to find fame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W27wBf7Jw34

They dont get your shows? LMAO!!! BEcause your shows are so difficult to understand? Give me a *****g break. They dont like it, because they dont think its funny! Same goes for most countries in the world, they dont find british humor funny!! Its that simple. DOnt go trying to make ut like your comedy is so great. I have been in a lot of different countries, most, do not like the english humor, not just the americans.

[Scarlett.]

The only US shows I have ever followed are;
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
The Simpsons
Futurama
Family Guy
and Scrubs :3

[Rory]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Are you from France?

NO You from London, so you wouldnt know if the French love our humour or not!

So dont make stupid Statments,

I think I know the reason why Americans dont air UK Shows in America, well they air SOME but not the good ones..

Because they know if they do CBS and ABC Would be ****ed and all the Americans would finally see how ****ing amazing our shows are!

Nah, the major networks like to make original comedy on their station, not imported stuff. People know about the original The Office here, but its easier for a station to manage the life of their original shows.

Blame the lack of showing British shows in America on BBC America. When they say showcasing some of the best in British television, they mean the Weakest Link, Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares, The Graham Norton Show, Top Gear, and Cash in the Attic. None of which are humor.

Fonejacker gets aired on Comedy Central here, adult swim. shows The Mighty Boosh along with other British shows on Sundays...don't say that Americans haven't had the exposure to British humor. We've experienced it and still like our own better.

Some of our best humor is The Office (which has grown past its earlier seasons and developed its own humor) and 30 Rock. You're being a bit ignorant if you're basing your opinions off of the likes of the ABC comedy shows. NBC is the comedy leader here.

[Scarlett.]

To be fair on all sides, everyone's sense of humour differs, wherever you live

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

They dont get your shows? LMAO!!! BEcause your shows are so difficult to understand? Give me a *****g break. They dont like it, because they dont think its funny! Same goes for most countries in the world, they dont find british humor funny!! Its that simple. DOnt go trying to make ut like your comedy is so great. I have been in a lot of different countries, most, do not like the english humor, not just the americans.

Bravo, you missed the entire ****ing point of my post. Americans don't like irony in comedy because they don't get it. I am not going against America, it's just a fact. In fact, it's a well known cultural joke even Americans are in on.

''Dont go trying to make it like your comedy is so great''? Im not British, you ****ing moron. And neither is Patrick. Different countries like different types of humor. Thats all I was saying. You essentially missed that entire point and condemned yourself to your own argument by saying most countries dont like British humor.

Originally Posted by Chewy

To be fair on all sides, everyone's sense of humour differs, wherever you live

This.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

I think you should know the difference between importing and exporting, and realize which country Patrick is actually from, before calling people dumb.

I dont care where he is from, regardless, the fact is, if you think you are more intelligent than the americans for some reason, delusional is what I call you. The only thing that I can say for sure they dont have, that most modern coutry do, is general culture. But thats because they happen to be self suffiient in most things, and their society was buit from within. We, on this side of the world, had to deal with imperialism, and thats why our culture is more international.
Other than that, its plain silly nationalism, based on self delusion.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Are you from France?

NO You from London, so you wouldnt know if the French love our humour or not!

So dont make stupid Statments,

Ok...

Originally Posted by Patrick

I think I know the reason why Americans dont air UK Shows in America, well they air SOME but not the good ones..

Because they know if they do CBS and ABC Would be ****ed and all the Americans would finally see how ****ing amazing our shows are!

...but hang on, you're from Northern Ireland, so surely you wouldn't know why Americans don't air UK shows?

Don't make stupid statements...

[Rory]

Originally Posted by Chewy

To be fair on all sides, everyones humour differs, wherever you live

Exactly, Americans can call British humor unoriginal and extremely dry while Brits can call American humor crude and mindless. Family Guy is the prime example of mindless, but rest assure that Family Guy is only popular with the younger crowd, much like whoever was pointing out earlier the tastes of the British youth who like American TV. The same age group around the world enjoys the same TV shows.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

I dont care where he is from, regardless, the fact is, if you think you are more intelligent than the americans for some reason, delusional is what I call you. The only thing that I can say for sure they dont have, that most modern coutry do, is general culture. But thats because they happen to be self suffiient in most things, and their society was buit from within. We, on this side of the world, had to deal with imperialism, and thats why our culture is more international.
Other than that, its plain silly nationalism, based on self delusion.

Americans don't have general culture?

What age are you? They have the single most influential and powerful culture in the world!

[Shaun]

I'm a bit dumbfounded at people ridiculing the Americans. I mean starting on the ground with TV, USA has produced some genius shows:

The Sopranos, The Simpsons, Frasier, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Seinfeld, Will & Grace, X-Files, Bewitched, ER, Friends [well, early on], Star Trek, Cheers...

ignoring most of today's juggernauts: Heroes, Lost, Law & Order, CSI, FlashForward, True Blood, etc.

Humour/TV aside, when you look at the music/cinema industries, and other fields: politics, science, technology, literature, art...they're certainly not stupid.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Rory

Exactly, Americans can call British humor unoriginal and extremely dry while Brits can call American humor crude and mindless. Family Guy is the prime example of mindless, but rest assure that Family Guy is only popular with the younger crowd, much like whoever was pointing out earlier the tastes of the British youth who like American TV. The same age group around the world enjoys the same TV shows.

Aye, I love old fashioned British humour, moder British humour isnt as good, and I have to admit, Scrubs is one of the funniest comedies I have ever seen, and its American

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

Americans don't have general culture?

What age are you? They have the single most influential and powerful culture in the world!

They dont! I know that for a fact, from having lived there. They are totally oblivious to whats going on in the state next to them, let alone the rest of the world.
Thats just the way it is.
But imo, they produce, some of the best TV shows in the world. But Americans definitely over produce, due to all the diferent TV networks. I personally think most british TV shows are craap, so do people I know, from Africa, France, Canada, even India. BUt to each their own, I have no problem with that. I watch some TV shows here, but hardly any.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I'm a bit dumbfounded at people ridiculing the Americans. I mean starting on the ground with TV, USA has produced some genius shows:

The Sopranos, The Simpsons, Frasier, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Seinfeld, Will & Grace, X-Files, Bewitched, ER, Friends [well, early on], Star Trek, Cheers...

ignoring most of today's juggernauts: Heroes, Lost, Law & Order, CSI, FlashForward, True Blood, etc.

Humour/TV aside, when you look at the music/cinema industries, and other fields: politics, science, technology, literature, art...they're certainly not stupid.

Of course not. Thats because you are examining the upper echelons of society. I think most people in this thread are thinking of the typical ''gawd bless America'' American of conservative suburbia. And there politics are rotten to the very core man.

Always preferred English & Irish music and literature, but that's just opinion of course.

These days, Britain produces the boring, generic rock bands. America produces the whingey, whinney, shitlicking ones [see : Paramore].

[Rory]

I'll just say this: To the American-bashing Irish here, I'll bring it back to my earlier point: America has produced some of the world's greatest leaders in politics, civil rights, entertainment, and math/science. America and its culture pervades nearly every aspect of your life everyday in a major way, not only on a humor level. Ireland's claim to fame is Bono and the potato famine.

Just like the great quote says, "When America sneezes the whole world catches a cold."

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

They dont! I know that for a fact, from having lived there. They are totally oblivious to whats going on in the state next to them, let alone the rest of the world.

What on earth has that got to do with culture? Your talking about political and social awareness. Not culture. Of course Americans have culture. It is the most dominant culture in the world!

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Rory

I'll just say this: To the American-bashing Irish here, I'll bring it back to my earlier point: America has produced some of the world's greatest leaders in politics, civil rights, entertainment, and math/science. America and its culture pervades nearly every aspect of your life everyday in a major way, not only on a humor level. Ireland's claim to fame is Bono and the potato famine.

Just like the great quote says, "When America sneezes the whole world catches a cold."

I'm not getting involved in this argument but did you actually say what I think you said with regard to Ireland?

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

What on earth has that got to do with culture? Your talking about political and social awareness. Not culture. Of course Americans have culture. It is the most dominant culture in the world!

OK, I think I got it crossed because I translated a frenc expression (Culture generale), which basically means, your knowledge of the world's culture. So I guess its not the right thing to say in English. I thought it was.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Rory

Also, to the American-bashing Irish here, I'll bring it back to my earlier point: America has produced some of the world's greatest leaders in politics, civil rights, entertainment, and math/science. America and its culture pervades nearly every aspect of your life everyday in a major way, not only on a humor level. Ireland's claim to fame is Bono and the potato famine.

Just like the great quote says, "When America sneezes the whole world catches a cold."

You DO know most of us don't actually WANT to catch what America spreads and actively resent it?

And you DO you know anything about your own country? The Irish have a huge political and social dynasty in all aspects of American life. A large percentage of Americans claim either German or Irish ancestry. We built quiet a lot of the east coast.

Come to think of it, you Americans are incredibly young. Your all just comprised of transplants from other countries. What is an American? You are US! And you just proved what everybody has been saying in this thread about the sheer ignorance of your country :

The Irish only gave the world Bono & The Potato Famine? I bashed the underbelly of America when acknowledging and respecting it's great achievements and dominant culture. You claim Ireland just gave the world Bono and a Famine.

Read some ****ing Joyce and get back to me.

[Rory]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

Of course not. Thats because you are examining the upper echelons of society. I think most people in this thread are thinking of the typical ''gawd bless America'' American of conservative suburbia. And there politics are rotten to the very core man.

Always preferred English & Irish music and literature, but that's just opinion of course.

These days, Britain produces the boring, generic rock bands. America produces the whingey, whinney, shitlicking ones [see : Paramore].

Each country has its own possibility for criticism in a certain sect.

America has 304,059,724 people.
The UK has 60,943,912 people.
Ireland has 4,156,119 people.

Since America has more than 75x the amount of people in Ireland, there are more chances for criticism. The entire world has radically religious groups too, except it's magnified because of the magnitude of people in America and the world-focus on American affairs.

By the way, if you're trying to make out that Americans are unsophisticated, please learn the difference between "their" and "there" before you ridicule us.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by setanta

I'm not getting involved in this argument but did you actually say what I think you said in regard to Ireland?

Its a joke!!!! See, they dont get your humor, you dont get theirs!