[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Comments like that only inflame and do not add anything to debate. That way you come across as aggressive and arrogant. People see right through to that and you completely undermine anything you may add.



I do remind people there are alternative viewpoints, but I would hpe I did it in a more gentle manner.

LeatherTrumpet, if you want to engage in apologetics, you really need to learn how to do it, not just the facts we need to refute arguments. If you end up casting aspersions on people like you did in this post, you will be seen to have lost the argument.

Again what are you hoping to achieve?

and you see this forum as a place for apologetics?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

Ok then.

Il ask one question.

Dinosaurs...why is there no mention of them in the bible, when we KNOW they existed?

well you can have these well researched and sourced sites for free:

http://www.christiancourier.com/arti...-and-the-bible

http://www.carm.org/questions/other-...entioned-bible

Personally I would say this: does the Bible and specifically Genesis record a true account of the origin of the material universe? I would say yes. On the other hand does the Bible and specifically Genesis provide information in a way that corresponds to the purposes of modern science? I would say no.

[Vicky.]

Right.

I take it you believe the adam and eve story too...in that case, can you explain how we have scientific proof of evolution.


Plus I only looked on the first of those two sites, and that doesnt answer anything.

If dinosaurs were created around the same time as everything else, and the bible states that everything was 'made' in 7 days...then humans must have been around for millions of years, not thousands.


Edit. Plus, you giving me two sites to read is you doing exactly what you were criticising ProbeEight for doing earlier on. No answers of your own?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

Edit. Plus, you giving me two sites to read is you doing exactly what you were criticising ProbeEight for doing earlier on. No answers of your own?

No

I gave you two sites that are sourced and established and I gave you my opinion.

?

As I stated you have to read the Bible for what it was written for - it is not a scientific document written last week.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

I love how you say conspiracy theories as if christianity and such are fact, or something that shouldnt be questioned

You nailed it. You nailed it with that one sentence better than I could ever hope to.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Christianity is a fact. Unless the people who go to my church are figments of my imagination?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Christianity is a fact. Unless the people who go to my church are figments of my imagination?

You know what she's saying LeatherTrumpet, the people who worship wasn't what she was questioning

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

You know what she's saying LeatherTrumpet, the people who worship wasn't what she was questioning

You can never be sure, people often ignore Christianity alive today in people and churches and just think of it as various "facts" gleaned from picking bits from the Bible.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You can never be sure, people often ignore Christianity alive today in people and churches and just think of it as various "facts" gleaned from picking bits from the Bible.

Well, I'm happy for you if you have faith in God and the bible but people have there own minds and are allowed to think and believe different things, it's what makes us all unique and interesting. And I'm sure if you end up being right God will forgive us all when we die!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Well, I'm happy for you if you have faith in God and the bible but people have there own minds and are allowed to think and believe different things, it's what makes us all unique and interesting. And I'm sure if you end up being right God will forgive us all when we die!

Unfortunately that is not Biblical and will not happen.

[Stu]

This thread just keeps on getting better.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Unfortunately that is not Biblical and will not happen.

I'm really hungry and my lunch break isn't for a while. If I pray hard enough, will God turn my colleague into bread?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dr.Gonzo

I'm really hungry and my lunch break isn't for a while. If I pray hard enough, will God turn my colleague into bread?

I would pray for better material in the first instance..

[Dr.Gonzo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I would pray for better material in the first instance..

My humour is an aquired taste. If you don't like it, aquire some taste.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dr.Gonzo

My humour is an aquired taste. If you don't like it, aquire some taste.

as i said

[Dr.Gonzo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

as i said

Yes you did.

[Crimson Dynamo]

But even as believers should learn to look for reasons behind
their faith, skeptics must learn to look for a type of faith hidden
within their reasoning. All doubts, however skeptical and cynical
they may seem, are really a set of alternate beliefs. You cannot
doubt Belief A except from a position of faith in Belief B. For
example, if you doubt Christianity because “There can’t be just
one true religion,” you must recognize that this statement is itself
an act of faith. No one can prove it empirically, and it is not a
universal truth that everyone accepts. If you went to the Middle
East and said, “There can’t be just one true religion,” nearly everyone
would say, “Why not?” The reason you doubt Christianity’s
Belief A is because you hold unprovable Belief B. Every doubt,
therefore, is based on a leap of faith.

Some people say, “I don’t believe in Christianity because I
can’t accept the existence of moral absolutes. Everyone should
determine moral truth for him- or herself.” Is that a statement they
can prove to someone who doesn’t share it? No, it is a leap of
faith, a deep belief that individual rights operate not only in the
po liti cal sphere but also in the moral. There is no empirical proof
for such a position. So the doubt (of moral absolutes) is a leap.
Some will respond to all this, “My doubts are not based on a
leap of faith. I have no beliefs about God one way or another. I
simply feel no need for God and I am not interested in thinking
about it.” But hidden beneath this feeling is the very modern
American belief that the existence of God is a matter of indifference
unless it intersects with my emotional needs. The speaker is
betting his or her life that no God exists who would hold you
accountable for your beliefs and behaviour if you didn’t feel the
need for him. That may be true or it may not be true, but, again,
it is quite a leap of faith.

The only way to doubt Christianity rightly and fairly is to discern
the alternate belief under each of your doubts and then to
ask yourself what reasons you have for believing it. How do you
know your belief is true? It would be inconsistent to require
more justifi cation for Christian belief than you do for your own,
but that is frequently what happens. In fairness you must doubt
your doubts. My thesis is that if you come to recognize the beliefs
on which your doubts about Christianity are based, and if
you seek as much proof for those beliefs as you seek from Christians
for theirs—you will discover that your doubts are not as
solid as they first appeared.

I commend two processes to my readers. I urge skeptics to
wrestle with the unexamined “blind faith” on which skepticism is
based, and to see how hard it is to justify those beliefs to those
who do not share them. I also urge believers to wrestle with their
personal and culture’s objections to the faith. At the end of each
process, even if you remain the skeptic or believer you have been,
you will hold your own position with both greater clarity and
greater humility. Then there will be an understanding, sympathy,
and respect for the other side that did not exist before. Believers
and nonbelievers will rise to the level of disagreement rather than
simply denouncing one another. This happens when each side has
learned to represent the other’s argument in its strongest and most
positive form. Only then is it safe and fair to disagree with it. That
achieves civility in a pluralistic society, which is no small thing.

(Tim Kellor, The reason for God)

[Dr.Gonzo]

What a load of ****.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Unfortunately that is not Biblical and will not happen.

So you think I'm going to hell then for not believing? Yet a guy who murders 5 children but finds God after and asks for forgivness isn't?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

So you think I'm going to hell then for not believing? Yet a guy who murders 5 children but finds God after and asks for forgivness isn't?

I am telling you that what you said is not Biblical.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am telling you that what you said is not Biblical.

No, why would it be, I don't read or follow the Bible. Do you think I'm going to Hell for not believing the Bible?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

No, why would it be, I don't read or follow the Bible. Do you think I'm going to Hell for not believing the Bible?

Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ for salvation is forgiven, no matter what sins he has committed (Romans 6:23; John 3:16).

[Dr.Gonzo]

There's two things you can't get from a Christian. A good blowjob and a straight answer.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ for salvation is forgiven, no matter what sins he has committed (Romans 6:23; John 3:16).

See, that to me is just another reason not to follow the Bible. I don't like the sound of a God who thinks a murderer is ok as long as he believes in him and asks for forgivness (quite vain actually) rather than a decent good person who doesn't believe in him or follow a book that his buddies wrote about him but other than that has always been good and treats others with respect

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dr.Gonzo

There's two things you can't get from a Christian. A good blowjob and a straight answer.