[InOne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If it is the democratic wish of the nation, not so.

You should see how people react to some executions, cheering, holding up banners and singing songs, it's sick.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by InOne

You should see how people react to some executions, cheering, holding up banners and singing songs, it's sick.

I like Ireland

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I like Ireland

Saywha? You know we don't have Capital Punishment here, right?

[Z]

I don't think you could ever rehabilitate somebody so badly messed up; there would be no point in trying. Plus, every person is an individual, somebody so crazed would more than likely have been affected by a few incidents, or one big one (i.e. the war thing mentioned earlier) that set them off. People are individuals, there's not really much of a correlation between one person's experiences in life to cause them to be a nutjob and another. I think, in cases like this, the death penalty is necessary.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Stu

Saywha? You know we don't have Capital Punishment here, right?

I thought that they had brought it back in for the twins?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I thought that they had brought it back in for the twins?

We are working on it .

[Ninastar]

I can remember this. I lived in america at the time and I lived about 45 mins away from washington DC so they made sure that everyone was safe. We werent allowed outside at all during school and people who walked had to get the buses. There was even this one boy who lived right next to the school and they made him get the bus. they were really serious and protective about it.

[Ninastar]

and I feel that he kinda deserves it. He killed these people for no reason and caused thousands and thousands to be scared to leave there own home.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I thought that they had brought it back in for the twins?

For crimes against decency and good taste!

And for single-handedly destroying a talent show!

[InOne]

I see all the seriousness has gone from this topic then! lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by InOne

I see all the seriousness has gone from this topic then! lol

Over 25,000 children die every day around the world. With that in mind perhaps him getting the fast track to judgement is not so bad?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Over 25,000 children die every day around the world. With that in mind perhaps him getting the fast track to judgement is not so bad?

Why end one life of a mad man when you can prevent it the lives of others by finding out what sets these kind of people off. Maybe he had a mental breakdown and his conscience might have returned, he would be suffering then anyway.

[WOMBAI]

There are all sorts of laws in place these days to protect people with mental health problems - they would never execute someone who had such issues!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

There are all sorts of laws in place these days to protect people with mental health problems - they would never execute someone who had such issues!

I am sure they have done before and will do again.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Over 25,000 children die every day around the world. With that in mind perhaps him getting the fast track to judgement is not so bad?

Then perhaps we should focus on world hunger and the like instead of wasting time debating on whether to kill a killer or lock him up? Seriously, I know he did wrong, but it worries me when so many people not directly involved need to bay for blood to make them feel more secure in bed at night. Throw him in a cell and leave him rot. It's cheaper and he may realize what he has done and will suffer through it.

Christians for the death penalty. That's another chuckle. I never knew ''Thou shalt not kill'' had a footnote.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Stu

And perhaps we should focus on world hunger and the like instead of wasting time debating on whether to kill a killer or lock him up? Seriously, I know he did wrong, but it worries me when so many people not directly involved need to bay for blood to make them feel more secure in bed at night. Throw him in a cell and leave him rot. It's cheaper and he may realize what he has done and will suffer through it.

Christians for the death penalty. That's another chuckle. I never knew ''Thou shalt not kill'' had a footnote.

I have not specifically said that I just said it feels like justice perhaps. The Christian response is, as you know, that we do not judge and must ultimately forgive as we have been forgiven but even though Jesus was against individual murder i "think" he still was down with mosaic law during his life on earth and that included cap pun. dont quote me on it though.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I have not specifically said that I just said it feels like justice perhaps. The Christian response is, as you know, that we do not judge and must ultimately forgive as we have been forgiven but even though Jesus was against individual murder i "think" he still was down with mosaic law during his life on earth and that included cap pun. dont quote me on it though.

No worries, that was not aimed at you in particular. I just remember someone saying it from way back.

It is funny on that note, however, to note the contradiction between the mosaic law of capital punishment and the cornerstone of the entire mosaic law, the ten commandments. Contradiction #123456.

Gave me a hoot, anyway.

[WOMBAI]

So what do you suggest we do with killers like that then?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

So what do you suggest we do with killers like that then?

we have no answer other than lock them up and hope they die

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

So what do you suggest we do with killers like that then?

Ever heard of prison? Opinions aside, stop pretending Capital Punishment is the only thing that can be done.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Stu

Ever heard of prison? Opinions aside, stop pretending Capital Punishment is the only thing that can be done.

having to spend your whole life in prison is a worse punishment than execution anyway imo

[Z]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

having to spend your whole life in prison is a worse punishment than execution anyway imo

What does it achieve though? If you're going to lock someone up for life, i.e. until they die, why not just kill them anyway? That's on the more than likely assumption that if they're in jail for life, they committed a very serious crime. I don't think jail OR capital punishment are the answer to society's problems, but I'd rather see somebody killed for committing a serious crime, rather than being a drain on taxpayers' money by being accommodated in jail for the rest of their life.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zee

What does it achieve though? If you're going to lock someone up for life, i.e. until they die, why not just kill them anyway? That's on the more than likely assumption that if they're in jail for life, they committed a very serious crime. I don't think jail OR capital punishment are the answer to society's problems, but I'd rather see somebody killed for committing a serious crime, rather than being a drain on taxpayers' money by being accommodated in jail for the rest of their life.

Well whats the alternative Jail or Capital punishment?

I take your point on taxpayers money being spent, personaly I'd like to see chain gangs and have them work for their keep!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Zee

What does it achieve though? If you're going to lock someone up for life, i.e. until they die, why not just kill them anyway? That's on the more than likely assumption that if they're in jail for life, they committed a very serious crime. I don't think jail OR capital punishment are the answer to society's problems, but I'd rather see somebody killed for committing a serious crime, rather than being a drain on taxpayers' money by being accommodated in jail for the rest of their life.

People make assumptions that because Capital Punishment is quick it must be cheap. It's not. It's at least as expensive, if not more, than housing a prisoner in a cell and giving him three meals a day for the rest of his life.

Have you any idea even what the medical personnel who are giving him the injection have to be paid? Or the price of commissioning such an injection? Or all the legal red tape that has to be bypassed? Besides, like I said earlier, it costs far, far, far more to keep certain inmates in jail.

And to be honest, I think the rational you outlined in the first sentence is very odd. I know they done bad things, and I am not an apologist for them, but you cant throw them into a black hole like rats and forget they ever existed. Locking him up might at the least achieve some revelation and sufferance in his mind. Hanging him will just quench the public and the medias thirst to see even more blood to feel some retribution.

[Z]

I wasn't thinking of the lethal injection though, I was thinking about good old fashioned hanging; is there even a cost to that beyond paying the hangman? There is no alternative to jail or capital punishment, I just don't think either are a solution to the problems of society - essentially I'm whining :P.

So what if the prisoner feels remorse? It's not going to revive the person they killed/prevent the crime they committed, it's not a comfort to the family of the victim(s) and showing remorse won't claim back the years they spent in jail. It's not even guaranteed that a prisoner is going to regret committing a crime. The primary argument against capital punishment is obviously the potential for a wrongly accused person to be sentenced to death - while you can't argue that that could happen, and has done, I can only help but feel that the only people that this has happened to are people who have made themselves look extremely guilty, or victims of a cover-up/conspiracy - either way, it's just a case of wrong place, wrong time. It's just my view though, I think that capital punishment should be used when dealing with serious cases of violent murder, mass murder and other things on that kind of level.