[andyman]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I don't need to. You act as though you know so much about it - being patronising to others to disagree. Tell us what makes you such an expert on the subject - what makes your 'opinion' (which is all it is) such a valid one. Until you can come up with something substantial to validate your opinion - I for one won't be taking you very seriously.

Macho idiot wanting to go in all guns blazing - with no thought for those that actually have to fight that fight - and no intention of putting your money where you mouth is - and fighting it yourself.

Facts i give you miss sweetie pie..

Your posts have gone to another place, lay off the coffee.

[arista]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I don't need to. You act as though you know so much about it - being patronising to others to disagree. Tell us what makes you such an expert on the subject - what makes your 'opinion' (which is all it is) such a valid one. Until you can come up with something substantial to validate your opinion - I for one won't be taking you very seriously.

Macho idiot wanting to go in all guns blazing - with no thought for those that actually have to fight that fight - and no intention of putting your money where you mouth is - and fighting it yourself.

Yes Very True Wombai
Neo Conservative Andyman is alone with his Evil View.

[andyman]

Arista, go read Spike's post.. He speaks the truth.

Utter Fact.

[andyman]

Arista what would happen if we pull out too soon?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by andyman

Facts i give you miss sweetie pie..

Your posts have gone to another place, lay off the coffee.

Thought not!!! Just more childish sarcasm!

[andyman]

Arista, robotic pompus narrow minded Arista?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Spike

No. We shouldn't leave. It would almost certainly cause a world wide disastor if we did
For the saftey of people in Afghanistan and around the world we must stay and see the job through
Pulling out can't even be considered an option at the moment

The Truth

[Scarlett.]

It annoys me how people think we can withdraw from a war because they are getting tired of it

IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT! We are partly responsable for the chaos Afganistan is in, we need to finish it off, or at least try to

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Chewy

It annoys me how people think we can withdraw from a war because they are getting tired of it

IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT! We are partly responsable for the chaos Afganistan is in, we need to finish it off, or at least try to

If you feel that strongly - why are you not over there doing your bit. Why should others bear the weight of that responsibility - and risk their lives for other people who feel the way you do.

You try waking up in the morning and turning on the tv to find out that a soldier in a regiment a member of your family is in over there - has been killed and just willing that phone not to ring. And we were one of the lucky ones - ours came home - can't even begin to imagine what is like for the families of those that didn't.

Wonder what your views would be then? It is very easy to have strong opinions that other people have to pay for. On top of which - I do not believe our presence is benefiting the situation - all it is achieving is the death of our young troops.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

If you feel that strongly - why are you not over there doing your bit. Why should others bear the weight of that responsibility - and risk their lives for other people who feel the way you do.

You try waking up in the morning and turning on the tv to find out that a soldier in a regiment a member of your family is in over there - has been killed and just willing that phone not to ring. And we were one of the lucky ones - ours came home - can't even begin to imagine what is like for the families of those that didn't.

Wonder what your views would be then? It is very easy to have strong opinions that other people have to pay for. On top of which - I do not believe our presence is benefiting the situation - all it is achieving is the death of our young troops.

Chewy didnt decide to join the army so what? they do have a choice you know! My brother left the army, (well he had to really he went mental, but thats another story), I dreaded watching the news all through his tour in Iraq, but he chose to join and he considered any tour, his duty (hence the name Tour of Duty) If he'd have gone to Afghanistan (which he was due to go) I'd have been worried sure but it doesnt take away the fact that a job needs doing and some brave men are willing to do it. Not everyone is born to be a soldier and every job has its benefit to the country, even loo cleaners... doesnt mean you cant have an opinion on it!

[NettoSuperstar!]

haha Andyman just noticed your sig! Qualiteh!...reminds me of ma youth

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by andyman

Remove the troops and let the Taliban run wild with the helf from Iran, which also fund other groups in the middle east.

We must focus on the big picture, pulling out now would put the whole middle eastern area in more danger..

I concur

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by SiaSiaSia

if we leave, the taliban may be a huge threat, but a war against afghanistan is basically unwinnable as russia found in the early 1970s

Afghanistan were aided by other countries including the USA during that time, The USA used the Afghans during the cold war then left them to rot with their country destroyed when they were no longer needed, thats partly why we have the situation we do now

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Chewy didnt decide to join the army so what? they do have a choice you know! My brother left the army, (well he had to really he went mental, but thats another story), I dreaded watching the news all through his tour in Iraq, but he chose to join and he considered any tour, his duty (hence the name Tour of Duty) If he'd have gone to Afghanistan (which he was due to go) I'd have been worried sure but it doesnt take away the fact that a job needs doing and some brave men are willing to do it. Not everyone is born to be a soldier and every job has its benefit to the country, even loo cleaners... doesnt mean you cant have an opinion on it!

Ahh - that subjective word CHOICE! Many joined before the Iraq/Afghanistan events - they didn't ask to be involved in that - many don't agree with it. Can they choose to opt out of that particular war - no. Once in - getting out can be difficult and is a long drawn out process. Also, many join when they are too young to fully understand the implications of their decision. In the eyes of most - many are still boys - although they like to see themselves as men.

It is very easy for some people to advocate risking the lives of others they don't know for a cause they believe in. I say if you feel that strongly about something - you should get your own hands dirty and not expect others to do so on your behalf.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Ahh - that subjective word CHOICE! Many joined before the Iraq/Afghanistan events - they didn't ask to be involved in that - many don't agree with it. Can they choose to opt out of that particular war - no. Once in - getting out can be difficult and is a long drawn out process. Also, many join when they are too young to fully understand the implications of their decision. In the eyes of most - many are still boys - although they like to see themselves as men.

It is very easy for some people to advocate risking the lives of others they don't know for a cause they believe in. I say if you feel that strongly about something - you should get your own hands dirty and not expect others to do so on your behalf.

Yeh they can leave though, it may take a year but if you dont want to go to war then leave, if you dont want to go to war you'd be stupid to join in the first place! and the army have a rigorous training process to weed out people that arent up to the job! Yeh I think fairly strongly that we should be there, but I care more about people who suffer mental health problems, thats why I do the job I do! What are you saying? You cant have an opinion on an internet forum unless your willing to go out and fight for exactly what your saying? Pleeeease!...We can only have opinions on just the things we do??

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Yeh they can leave though, it may take a year but if you dont want to go to war then leave, if you dont want to go to war you'd be stupid to join in the first place! and the army have a rigorous training process to weed out people that arent up to the job! Yeh I think fairly strongly that we should be there, but I care more about people who suffer mental health problems, thats why I do the job I do! What are you saying? You cant have an opinion on an internet forum unless your willing to go out and fight for exactly what your saying? Pleeeease!...We can only have opinions on just the things we do??

I am saying that people shouldn't be too quick to say that the troops should stay - all mouth and no action in my book. A lot are young and don't think about the implications of that to others. Most people in this country have had enough of it now and don't want to see the deaths of any more soldiers.

They are not fighting to protect our country from imminent attack - like in the second world war - they are fighting to sort out the problems of another country - it is not their battle. At the very least - soldiers should be able to opt out of such a battle - it should be on a volunteer basis. Why do you think they don't do that - because they wouldn't get enough volunteers. There simply isn't the support for this war that some on here imply.

People do not have the right to expect others to do what they are not prepared to do themselves!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I am saying that people shouldn't be too quick to say that the troops should stay - all mouth and no action in my book. A lot are young and don't think about the implications of that to others. Most people in this country have had enough of it now and don't want to see the deaths of any more soldiers.

They are not fighting to protect our country from imminent attack - like in the second world war - they are fighting to sort out the problems of another country - it is not their battle. At the very least - soldiers should be able to opt out of such a battle - it should be on a volunteer basis. Why do you think they don't do that - because they wouldn't get enough volunteers. There simply isn't the support for this war that some on here imply.

People do not have the right to expect others to do what they are not prepared to do themselves!

They are fighting to restore order to a country that poses a very serious threat to this country, stability in the middle east, and the whole world, freedom and democracy generally

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

If you feel that strongly - why are you not over there doing your bit. Why should others bear the weight of that responsibility - and risk their lives for other people who feel the way you do.

You try waking up in the morning and turning on the tv to find out that a soldier in a regiment a member of your family is in over there - has been killed and just willing that phone not to ring. And we were one of the lucky ones - ours came home - can't even begin to imagine what is like for the families of those that didn't.

Wonder what your views would be then? It is very easy to have strong opinions that other people have to pay for. On top of which - I do not believe our presence is benefiting the situation - all it is achieving is the death of our young troops.

They made their choice to fight out there, and they have my respect for that, they didnt sign up to stay at a camp in England did they? They're out there making the country a better place

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Chewy

They made their choice to fight out there, and they have my respect for that, they didnt sign up to stay at a camp in England did they? They're out there making the country a better place

That is my point exactly - they joined the army (many to learn a trade) - they didn't join to fight another country's battles. It is all based on religion - nothing to do with our country - why should our soldiers die to make another country better. THEY DID NOT SIGN UP FOR THAT! I take your point about respect - but respect isn't much good to the dead.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

That is my point exactly - they joined the army (many to learn a trade) - they didn't join to fight another country's battles. It is all based on religion - nothing to do with our country - why should our soldiers die to make another country better. THEY DID NOT SIGN UP FOR THAT! I take your point about respect - but respect isn't much good to the dead.

We started the war there, so we end it, its our mess

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Chewy

We started the war there, so we end it, its our mess

We didn't start it - those that carried out 9/11 did. Allied forces responded to that attack! That was 8 years ago. It is not our job to sort out their country and rebuild it. If these people spent less time hating and fighting - they might actually have the time to be able to build a better life for themselves.

[Scarlett.]

There is a lot more behind the war than America's so-called "War on Terror"

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Chewy

There is a lot more behind the war than America's so-called "War on Terror"

That may be - but it is still not a fight for our troops!

[AndyJK]

Originally Posted by Chewy

We started the war there, so we end it, its our mess

We were right to invade Afghanistan because of 9/11 (I would have backed the invasion just to get rid of the Taliban), it's the strategy and funding for the equipment that has been the problem. I do believe this government has not treated our armed forces well at all.

We have to remain in Afghanistan until the Afghan government have control and it's safe to leave, or otherwise those men and women who have died in action since 2001 would have done so in vain.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by AndyJK

We were right to invade Afghanistan because of 9/11 (I would have backed the invasion just to get rid of the Taliban), it's the strategy and funding for the equipment that has been the problem. I do believe this government has not treated our armed forces well at all.

We have to remain in Afghanistan until the Afghan government have control and it's safe to leave, or otherwise those men and women who have died in action since 2001 would have done so in vain.

I agree with you, the troops need better equipment, and of course, more choppers