[WOMBAI]

Because a life sentence rarely means that! I don't want others to die at the hands of someone who could have permanently been prevented from killing again!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Because a life sentence rarely means that! I don't want others to die at the hands of someone who could have permanently been prevented from killing again!

but then more will take his place potentially multiplying the number of deaths that he could ever have achieved. The death penalty is useless in this situation.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Because a life sentence rarely means that! I don't want others to die at the hands of someone who could have permanently been prevented from killing again!

That's my point. Make it a life sentence by deafult for these people. With life meaning life.

Also a living martyr is a bit of an oxymoron.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stu

That's my point. Make it a life sentence by deafult for these people. With life meaning life.

Also a living martyr is a bit of an oxymoron.

You don't have to die to be a martyr. Any kind of sacrifice - ie imprisonment (permanent or otherwise) can be viewed as martyrdom!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

You don't have to die to be a martyr. Any kind of sacrifice - ie imprisonment (permanent or otherwise) can be viewed as martyrdom!

It's not though, I dealt with this in my last post. A failed attack is seen as a failure. Martyrs are people who die for the cause.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not though, I dealt with this in my last post. A failed attack is seen as a failure. Martyrs are people who die for the cause.

Sorry - but you didn't! If he had killed westerners, but not died himself, and been imprisoned for say 10 years - he would be viewed as a martyr by many - giving up his freedom, risking his life to kill westerners etc.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Sorry - but you didn't! If he had killed westerners, but not died himself, and been imprisoned for say 10 years - he would be viewed as a martyr by many - giving up his freedom, risking his life etc.

There's a key flaw here...He didn't kill anyone. He would not be seen as a Martyr if he went to prison. He would whoever if we killed him. You're trying to use what could have happened to augment your points instead of sticking to what did happen.

Also you haven't answered how he could have got out of Nigeria without being caught by Interpol or by any other law agencies.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's a key flaw here...He didn't kill anyone. He would not be seen as a Martyr if he went to prison. He would whoever if we killed him. You're trying to use what could have happened to augment your points instead of sticking to what did happen.

Also you haven't answered how he could have got out of Nigeria without being caught by Interpol or by any other law agencies.

He intended to - tried to - I am sure for many that would have been enough! He might be luckier next time - if we give him that chance!

As for the second part of your question - do you really think that organised terrorist groups couldn't find a way! I am not a terrorist - so I don't know how - but chances are they would!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

You don't have to die to be a martyr. Any kind of sacrifice - ie imprisonment (permanent or otherwise) can be viewed as martyrdom!

Then I guess the term has been clouded from what it once was.

That and the fact that you would be killing people who were prepared to die anyway with capital punishment. What sort of punishment to the individual is that? He psyched himself out and prepared himself for sacrafice in the name of his God anyway, he was under the assumption he was going to die anyway, so you would basically be handing it to him on a silver platter!

Compare that to having to spend your entire life in a cell and be rendered a number, unable to make a public statement of any sort, at the hands of those you seeked to destroy.

A lot of these people campaigning for the death penalty are just in it for there own selfish voyeuristic satisfaction. What honest difference does it make to their lives? Far more useful fucking things to be campaigning for, if you ask me. Maybe some of the more ardent armchair supporters of the death penalty should take up Tennis or Golf or something.