[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

You don't have to die to be a martyr. Any kind of sacrifice - ie imprisonment (permanent or otherwise) can be viewed as martyrdom!

It's not though, I dealt with this in my last post. A failed attack is seen as a failure. Martyrs are people who die for the cause.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not though, I dealt with this in my last post. A failed attack is seen as a failure. Martyrs are people who die for the cause.

Sorry - but you didn't! If he had killed westerners, but not died himself, and been imprisoned for say 10 years - he would be viewed as a martyr by many - giving up his freedom, risking his life to kill westerners etc.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Sorry - but you didn't! If he had killed westerners, but not died himself, and been imprisoned for say 10 years - he would be viewed as a martyr by many - giving up his freedom, risking his life etc.

There's a key flaw here...He didn't kill anyone. He would not be seen as a Martyr if he went to prison. He would whoever if we killed him. You're trying to use what could have happened to augment your points instead of sticking to what did happen.

Also you haven't answered how he could have got out of Nigeria without being caught by Interpol or by any other law agencies.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's a key flaw here...He didn't kill anyone. He would not be seen as a Martyr if he went to prison. He would whoever if we killed him. You're trying to use what could have happened to augment your points instead of sticking to what did happen.

Also you haven't answered how he could have got out of Nigeria without being caught by Interpol or by any other law agencies.

He intended to - tried to - I am sure for many that would have been enough! He might be luckier next time - if we give him that chance!

As for the second part of your question - do you really think that organised terrorist groups couldn't find a way! I am not a terrorist - so I don't know how - but chances are they would!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

He intended to - tried to - I am sure for many that would have been enough! He might be luckier next time - if we give him that chance!

As for the second part of your question - do you really think that organised terrorist groups couldn't find a way! I am not a terrorist - so I don't know how - but chances are they would!

The problem with your whole argument is that it's based around the idea that things 'could' happen and that's extremely flawed. England 'could' win the World Cup, Eastenders 'could' be cancelled next week, I 'could' be Wonder Woman. Does 'could' make any of these statements true?

It'd be extremely difficult for him to get abroad after being deported, He'd be on the terror database of every Law agency there is and he'd be flagged in his two main targets. The fact that you're so determined to think he'd get a chance yet cannot add any arguments to that statement is amusing.

Plus Nigeria would help in keeping him grounded because if he did try another attack it could be considered Nigeria's fault for allowing him too. If you was in charge of Nigeria would you risk pissing off two pretty powerful countries?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The problem with your whole argument is that it's based around the idea that things 'could' happen and that's extremely flawed. England 'could' win the World Cup, Eastenders 'could' be cancelled next week, I 'could' be Wonder Woman. Does 'could' make any of these statements true?

It'd be extremely difficult for him to get aborad after being deported, He'd be on the terror database of every Law agency there is and he'd be flagged in his two main targets. The fact that you're so determined to think he'd get a chance yet cannot add any arguments to that statement is amusing.

Plus Nigeria would help in keeping him grounded because if he did try another attack it could be considered Nigeria's fault for allowing him too. If you was in charge of Nigeria would you risk pissing off two pretty powerful countries?

The fact that he tried is true - I believe we call it attempted murder! There will always be those that admire him for that alone.

How am I supposed to know how - if I have never tried to get into this country undetected. But you can't deny the fact that many get in and out of our country despite security - terrorists included!

And as Nigeria is quite a lawless country anyway - really don't think they are going to be too bothered about offending our country!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

The fact that he tried is true - I believe we call it attempted murder! There will always be those that admire him for that alone.

That's true but admiration and being enthused to commit violent acts are different things, killing him would only make sure that there is more to take his place. A failed attack will not result in revenge attacks from other terrorists.

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

How am I supposed to know how - if I have never tried to get into this country undected. But you can't deny the fact that many get in and out of our country despite security - terrorists included!

How many are convicted terrorists though? It would be hard to even breathe internationally for someone with that on his record nevermind sneaking into countries.

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

And as Nigeria is quite a lawless country anyway - really don't think they are going to be too bothered about offending our country!

Like usual you've missed the point i was trying to make, If he did attack again we could take away treaties and much needed relief from Nigeria for not preventing him from doing so. If he managed to kill the punishment would only be more severe for Nigeria. Also there could be potential sanctions from other countries, if citizens of other countries were injured or killed.