[Suguler]

I think Sov can be a team player in the right environment, but its clear that had she tried to fit in, the team in the house, ruled by Vinnie, would choke the life out of her.

Had she followed Sisqo's advice she might have been able to stay in the house but would have been turned into a soulless drone by following Vinnie's gang. She would also have been branded fake and been ridiculed.

Sisqo wants to win (and I think saw Sov as the only person in the house who could take on Vinnie), whereas Sov felt she would rather keep her dignity than become one of Vinnie's pets.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Suguler

I think Sov can be a team player in the right environment, but its clear that had she tried to fit in, the team in the house, ruled by Vinnie, would choke the life out of her.

Had she followed Sisqo's advice she might have been able to stay in the house but would have been turned into a soulless drone by following Vinnie's gang. She would also have been branded fake and been ridiculed.

Sisqo wants to win (and I think saw Sov as the only person in the house who could take on Vinnie), whereas Sov felt she would rather keep her dignity than become one of Vinnie's pets.

Funny, I don't remember her ever taking on Vinnie. You fans keep trying to portray her as a strong warrior. In truth, she was a whiney immature brat with no communication skills. Vinnie would have wiped the floor with her if she had actually confronted him with her mouth.

She didn't play for the team because she was LAZY. She practically admitted that when she left. Saying she wasn't gonna clean toilets or dishes. Not because of Vinnie, because she just wasn't. No better reason than that. Stop making up your own noble excuses.

[Suguler]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Funny, I don't remember her ever taking on Vinnie. You fans keep trying to portray her as a strong warrior. In truth, she was a whiney immature brat with no communication skills. Vinnie would have wiped the floor with her if she had actually confronted him with her mouth.

She didn't play for the team because she was LAZY. She practically admitted that when she left. Saying she wasn't gonna clean toilets or dishes. Not because of Vinnie, because she just wasn't. No better reason than that. Stop making up your own noble excuses.

Why would anyone want to play for a team where the "leader" controls every aspect of your existence?
The team in that house is one where everyone surrenders their identity to Vinnie, and where dissent and expression are crushed.

Laziness is something that we have seen in many HMs, Sov is hardly unique in this regard.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Suguler

Why would anyone want to play for a team where the "leader" controls every aspect of your existence?
The team in that house is one where everyone surrenders their identity to Vinnie, and where dissent and expression are crushed.

Laziness is something that we have seen in many HMs, Sov is hardly unique in this regard.

Didnt hear Sov making a big thing out of Vinnie trying to control her, wierd that, her view is quite different from her loyal army of fans. Maybe they see things the way they want to.

Wow when some of them leave school and venture out into the big nasty world they aint half in for a reality check.

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Didnt hear Sov making a big thing out of Vinnie trying to control her, wierd that, her view is quite different from her loyal army of fans. Maybe they see things the way they want to.

Wow when some of them leave school and venture out into the big nasty world they aint half in for a reality check.

then you clearly wernt playing attention as she took issue with being patronised and targeted by the mr patato head of the house.. hence why she got singled out,because she made her voice heard and this wasnt in line with vinnie's commandments.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

then you clearly wernt playing attention as she took issue with being patronised and targeted by the mr patato head of the house.. hence why she got singled out,because she made her voice heard and this wasnt in line with vinnie's commandments.

And yet Vinnie was the one trying to help her, was the one who gave her his egg not only gave it but also cooked it for her.

Your clearly watching a different program. Or is it just to empathise with Sov because of her age and you dont like older people in authority?

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by Shasown

And yet Vinnie was the one trying to help her, was the one who gave her his egg not only gave it but also cooked it for her.

Your clearly watching a different program. Or is it just to empathise with Sov because of her age and you dont like older people in authority?

assume all you want little lady i happen to see both sides of vinnie, trying to help sovereign only to talk behind her back,slate her at any given moment and rip chunks out of her,in lamens terms a forty something old man took it upon himself to target a twenty four year old woman,that may work fine in your little world but not with me..

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Funny, I don't remember her ever taking on Vinnie. You fans keep trying to portray her as a strong warrior. In truth, she was a whiney immature brat with no communication skills. Vinnie would have wiped the floor with her if she had actually confronted him with her mouth.

She didn't play for the team because she was LAZY. She practically admitted that when she left. Saying she wasn't gonna clean toilets or dishes. Not because of Vinnie, because she just wasn't. No better reason than that. Stop making up your own noble excuses.

Sensible assessment, finally. Sov says she was totally herself, trouble is "herself" was a selfish, uncooperative, leeching, hypocrital whiny immature brat. She showed herself up big time in the house, and her only audience now will be those who share her (cough!) views on life, thankfully and hopefully a minority of young people.

The same people who want to say and do whatever they like, irrespective of how disruptive, insulting or uncooperative they are or how adversely they affect the rights of others, are the same people who run to the authorities/police to complain about any perceived infringements of THEIR so called "rights". They are ignorant and hypocritical, and are fortunate to live in a country that tolerates such attitudes. Its about time that lowlifes who screech about THEIR rights realise that such rights come with a price tag, i.e they accept responsibilities for their actions.