[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

There is no real evidence that the death penalty prevents crime, or even saves money. It's is basically fufilling basic human urge for blood.

I am not advocating the death penalty to "save money" but to fulfil natural justice. The punishment SHOULD fit the crime. Our justice system is pathetic- awarding so called "life" sentences for the most heinous crimes when in reality murderers can be released in as little as 10 years - their victims on the other hand have had the WHOLE of the rest of their lives stolen from them and their deaths have drastically affected the lives of their families and friends. If a "life" sentence IS imposed then it should be in a prison without any comforts or privileges, otherwise where is the penalty for committing the ultimate crime?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

I am not advocating the death penalty to "save money" but to fulfil natural justice. The punishment SHOULD fit the crime. Our justice system is pathetic- awarding so called "life" sentences for the most heinous crimes when in reality murderers can be released in as little as 10 years - their victims on the other hand have had the WHOLE of the rest of their lives stolen from them and their deaths have drastically affected the lives of their families and friends. If a "life" sentence IS imposed then it should be in a prison without any comforts or privileges, otherwise where is the penalty for committing the ultimate crime?

I agree that prisons are probably way too comfy. And I don't care what happens to people on the inside at the hands of other cons ect. But maybe they should look at improving the law, longer sentences, also the prisons, tougher regimes, longer hours lock away, make it basic, real hard time. Also they could have better rehabilitation programmes, and if some are failing, kick them off it and give the ones who want to do it a chance. I just don't think we should jump straight to the death penalty.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

So if a man is about to rape a womans child and she has to use all her force to stop him doing it, and ends up killing him, should she be killed? No, of course not. Therefore murder is subjective.

I said in an earlier post I believe the death penalty should be handed down for CERTAIN categories of murder, and clearly the example you give is not a situation where murder was premeditated and the woman would be able to plead self defence in protecting her child.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

I agree that prisons are probably way too comfy. And I don't care what happens to people on the inside at the hands of other cons ect. But maybe they should look at improving the law, longer sentences, also the prisons, tougher regimes, longer hours lock away, make it basic, real hard time. Also they could have better rehabilitation programmes, and if some are failing, kick them off it and give the ones who want to do it a chance. I just don't think we should jump straight to the death penalty.

So what do you think should have been the appropriate sentence for Baby P's murderer?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

I said in an earlier post I believe the death penalty should be handed down for CERTAIN categories of murder, and clearly the example you give is not a situation where murder was premeditated and the woman would be able to plead self defence in protecting her child.

Ok, must have misread your post.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

So what do you think should have been the appropriate sentence for Baby P's murderer?

They might never get out, and I think they will both end up in Broadmoor for the rest of their lives. Especially Barker, a sexual sadist, no way will they let him back into the public.

[Stacey.]

i know lots of people disagree with this...
But i think that: yeah, criminals and murderers etc. have obviously done awful things, but everyone deserves a second chance to prove themselves .
if there werent such thing as second chances, I wouldnt be where I am now, :/
Also, sometimes, if people go to prsion for however long, they come out, And could be a lot worse for being inside.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by angus58

So what do you think should have been the appropriate sentence for Baby P's murderer?

Every injury found on that child..should be done to them.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Tom

Nah, once a criminal always a criminal.

If they realised something was genuinely that bad then they wouldn't have done it in the first place. A criminal's only regret is being caught. Not the crime.

hehe its all so simple eh?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by InOne

They might never get out, and I think they will both end up in Broadmoor for the rest of their lives. Especially Barker, a sexual sadist, no way will they let him back into the public.

They whinge about how its too expensive to keep criminals. Potentially they are keeping him for life at a cost of around £26,000 per year which I'm sure many tax payers are against. Wouldn't it just be easier and more economic just to kill him?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

i know lots of people disagree with this...
But i think that: yeah, criminals and murderers etc. have obviously done awful things, but everyone deserves a second chance to prove themselves .

Yeah, say that when its your sister/mother/brother/father etc that has been murdered/raped etc.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Tom

They whinge about how its too expensive to keep criminals. Potentially they are keeping him for life at a cost of around £26,000 per year which I'm sure many tax payers are against. Wouldn't it just be easier and more economic just to kill him?

Hitler would have bee proud of yer son

[Tom]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Hitler would have bee proud of yer son

So you're happy that he's being kept in prison alive after what he did to Baby P, and better still YOU'RE paying for it?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Tom

They whinge about how its too expensive to keep criminals. Potentially they are keeping him for life at a cost of around £26,000 per year which I'm sure many tax payers are against. Wouldn't it just be easier and more economic just to kill him?

We are a civilized society and do not choose who lives or dies, and we don't lower ourselves to their level.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Tom

So you're happy that he's being kept in prison alive after what he did to Baby P, and better still YOU'RE paying for it?

He shouldnt be released after what he did but Ive given you my arguments on the death penalty before and we need to learn from these people so we can prevent and detect crimes easier.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

He shouldnt be released after what he did but Ive given you my arguments on the death penalty before and we need to learn from these people so we can prevent and detect crimes easier.

I think we pretty much had the same view on this if I remember right.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

They might never get out, and I think they will both end up in Broadmoor for the rest of their lives. Especially Barker, a sexual sadist, no way will they let him back into the public.

Yet he's sane enough to make 8 separate attempts to have his rape trial thrown out by the Old Bailey - the victim was 2 years old at the time. At no time have his lawyers pleaded insanity as a defence, so we have to assume he is simply an evil, scum of the earth bastard who does not deserve to be kept at tax payers' expense for the next 10, 20, whatever years.

The mother who stood by and did nothing to save her defenceless son from months of unspeakable torture got just 3 years, and she has accepted no responsibility for his death, instead whinging about how going to prison has messed up HER life. The least that should be done is to sterilise this inhuman bitch so she can never breed again. As far as I'm concerned she is as guilty as the step father who killed him, in some ways more so because she betrayed her child in the most callous way imaginable.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

I think we pretty much had the same view on this if I remember right.

Yeh I agree with you on this one

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yet he's sane enough to make 8 separate attempts to have his rape trial thrown out by the Old Bailey - the victim was 2 years old at the time. At no time have his lawyers pleaded insanity as a defence, so we have to assume he is simply an evil, scum of the earth bastard who does not deserve to be kept at tax payers' expense for the next 10, 20, whatever years.

The mother who stood by and did nothing to save her defenceless son from months of unspeakable torture got just 3 years, and she has accepted no responsibility for his death, instead whinging about how going to prison has messed up HER life. The least that should be done is to sterilise this inhuman bitch so she can never breed again. As far as I'm concerned she is as guilty as the step father who killed him, in some ways more so because she betrayed her child in the most callous way imaginable.

Broadmoor deals with Psychopaths, that is what they are and why they will go there.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

He shouldnt be released after what he did but Ive given you my arguments on the death penalty before and we need to learn from these people so we can prevent and detect crimes easier.

He isn't holding any extra information though, so basically all they need to know they have. Its just a case of either waiting for the sentence to be finished or for him to die of natural causes.

I don't agree with it in all cases, for example the Moors Murderers where Ian still holds valuable information and its just a case of whether he'll ever spill the beans, or perhaps in a rare case where genuine remorse is shown.

Some people are just too far beyond help that they'll never be able to be 'fixed' and they've done something despicable, so they might as well be put out of their own misery, and divert funds elsewhere. For some people its just pointless.

[Vicky.]

If its perfectly fine to put a dog down for biting someone, then its fine to 'put a human down' for killing someone.

[Stacey.]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

Yeah, say that when its your sister/mother/brother/father etc that has been murdered/raped etc.

I know, people feel differently like, when its their own..
But i do still believe that everyone makes big mistakes at times.
try to forgive i say

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

If its perfectly fine to put a dog down for biting someone, then its fine to 'put a human down' for killing someone.

Comparing criminals to dogs, that's a new one.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

We are a civilized society and do not choose who lives or dies, and we don't lower ourselves to their level.

That argument is the reason why our society is in such an appalling state - sometimes you have to fight fire with fire, because the perpetrators of truly evil crimes cynically exploit the very system of justice and law they have violated, KNOWING full well how to invoke THEIR human rights when they have so cruelly and willingly violated their victim's human rights. A civilised society has to recognise and remove the evil in its midst - permanently - in order to protect those who are law abiding.

[Stacey.]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

If its perfectly fine to put a dog down for biting someone, then its fine to 'put a human down' for killing someone.

My dog got put down, for biting my mum