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Well suprises me it made the news as hes not muslim lol
fgs - if people are suspicious of Muslims - blame the Muslim terrorists for that - not ordinary people who, understandably, feel concerned.
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fgs - if people are suspicious of Muslims - blame the Muslim terrorists for that - not ordinary people who, understandably, feel concerned.
understandably... given the media sensationalism and lack of perspective yah
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understandably... given the media sensationalism and lack of perspective yah
In fact, the media downplays the number of islamic terror attacks and often bends over backwards trying to over-emphasise how (name attack) is NOT condoned by Muslims in general.

Sensationalize what.. that of the last 10,000 humans beings murdered in terrorist attacks - almost ALL of those are from Muslim Jihadis.
Nearly EVERY terrorist attack in the last 10 years - Muslims.
Of the most-wanted terrorists almost EVERY person on that list is a Muslim.

Media doesn't make it sensational - thousands of Muslims are making it sensational.
Especially the 'sensations' of bombs exploding innocent civilians.
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In fact, the media downplays the number of islamic terror attacks and often bends over backwards trying to over-emphasise how (name attack) is NOT condoned by Muslims in general.

Sensationalize what.. that of the last 10,000 humans beings murdered in terrorist attacks - almost ALL of those are from Muslim Jihadis.
Nearly EVERY terrorist attack in the last 10 years - Muslims.
Of the most-wanted terrorists almost EVERY person on that list is a Muslim.

Media doesn't make it sensational - thousands of Muslims are making it sensational.
Especially the 'sensations' of bombs exploding innocent civilians.
If those figures are correct - good post!
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In fact, the media downplays the number of islamic terror attacks and often bends over backwards trying to over-emphasise how (name attack) is NOT condoned by Muslims in general.

Sensationalize what.. that of the last 10,000 humans beings murdered in terrorist attacks - almost ALL of those are from Muslim Jihadis.
Nearly EVERY terrorist attack in the last 10 years - Muslims.
Of the most-wanted terrorists almost EVERY person on that list is a Muslim.

Media doesn't make it sensational - thousands of Muslims are making it sensational.
Especially the 'sensations' of bombs exploding innocent civilians.
Rubbish wheres those figures from...your friendly anti islam site?

FBI figures and data from europol (over the last 10 years) suggests that 4-6% of attacks are committed by islamists:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not...s-are-muslims/

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

And dont include bomb attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq, they wouldnt be happening if we werent there

massive Lol @ the media downplaying the attacks, they are given disproportionate attention compared to terrorist attacks by others since 9/11

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Rubbish wheres those figures from...your friendly anti islam site?

FBI figures and data from europol (over the last 10 years) suggests that 4-6% of attacks are committed by islamists:
Your figures are rubbish. They are numbers games and definition games and they carefully select what nations,
and,
don't even address the whole 'body count' (what REALLY matters) that I went for.
Here you can say that Islamofascists are only responsible for 75% of the planes flown into buildings.
As of today - 25% of those are domestic 'IRS' terrorists.
See the game?

In fact, Islamic 'holy duty' terror attacks (and these we mean are FOR the purpose of causing terror to others) but these are actually much more rare in the USA and Europe compared to many other places.
Indonesia, China, Pakistan.. the astonishing number of murders committed in the name of Allah boggles the mind.

Here is last weeks contribution from Islam:
Feb 06 - Feb 13
39 Dead Bodies
114 Critically Injured

2010.02.18 (Yala, Thailand) - Industrious Islamists shoot a civilian to death in one district and set off a motorcycle bomb in another.
2010.02.18 (Khyber, Pakistan) - Thirty people are incinerated by a Shahid suicide bomber at a rival mosque.
2010.02.18 (Orakzai, Pakistan) - Fourteen patrons at a cattle market are dismembered by an Islamic bomb.
2010.02.18 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends over a dozen Iraqis to Allah.
2010.02.17 (Mosul, Iraq) - Another young Christian is shot to death by Muslim extremists.
2010.02.17 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - Religion of Peace advocates behead two government soldiers trying to guard teachers.

With your type of game-playing we can agree that the 'worst terror attack' in Canada was in the 1970s when the FLQ Crisis saw 1 politician murdered,
however,
we are now actually a helluva lot more worried about the dozen and more young Muslims who came TOO CLOSE to carrying out horrific violence that would have murdered hundreds if not thousands of innocent canadian citizens and brutally mangled more.
Since 9/11

But hey.. Islam's body count for January wasn't even their worst yet:
145 Jihad Attacks spanning 16 different countries and across 5 different religions...

Dead Bodies: 683

Critically Injured: 1251

That was this January alone.

Have no idea what Islam contributes to peace or safety and I really don't see boatloads of Muslim Relief Groups made up of volunteers from Mosques going to Haiti or anywhere else to build homes or donate rebuilding efforts.
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Your figures are rubbish. They are numbers games and definition games and they carefully select what nations,
and,
don't even address the whole 'body count' (what REALLY matters) that I went for.
Here you can say that Islamofascists are only responsible for 75% of the planes flown into buildings.
As of today - 25% of those are domestic 'IRS' terrorists.
See the game?

In fact, Islamic 'holy duty' terror attacks (and these we mean are FOR the purpose of causing terror to others) but these are actually much more rare in the USA and Europe compared to many other places.
Indonesia, China, Pakistan.. the astonishing number of murders committed in the name of Allah boggles the mind.

Here is last weeks contribution from Islam:
Feb 06 - Feb 13
39 Dead Bodies
114 Critically Injured

2010.02.18 (Yala, Thailand) - Industrious Islamists shoot a civilian to death in one district and set off a motorcycle bomb in another.
2010.02.18 (Khyber, Pakistan) - Thirty people are incinerated by a Shahid suicide bomber at a rival mosque.
2010.02.18 (Orakzai, Pakistan) - Fourteen patrons at a cattle market are dismembered by an Islamic bomb.
2010.02.18 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends over a dozen Iraqis to Allah.
2010.02.17 (Mosul, Iraq) - Another young Christian is shot to death by Muslim extremists.
2010.02.17 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - Religion of Peace advocates behead two government soldiers trying to guard teachers.

With your type of game-playing we can agree that the 'worst terror attack' in Canada was in the 1970s when the FLQ Crisis saw 1 politician murdered,
however,
we are now actually a helluva lot more worried about the dozen and more young Muslims who came TOO CLOSE to carrying out horrific violence that would have murdered hundreds if not thousands of innocent canadian citizens and brutally mangled more.
Since 9/11

But hey.. Islam's body count for January wasn't even their worst yet:
145 Jihad Attacks spanning 16 different countries and across 5 different religions...

Dead Bodies: 683

Critically Injured: 1251

That was this January alone.

Have no idea what Islam contributes to peace or safety and I really don't see boatloads of Muslim Relief Groups made up of volunteers from Mosques going to Haiti or anywhere else to build homes or donate rebuilding efforts.

They're official stats for Europe and USA, thats where we're at threat no?

More worldwide stats:

"The so-called International terrorism -- anything that involves America becomes "International"— perpetrated by Al-Qaeda has killed less than 5000 people. The war against this terrorism-either directly by US attacks or as a result of attacks by "insurgents" fighting American invaders in Iraq, has killed more than one hundred thousands of innocent Muslims. But for America, only their own people are innocents; their hearts bleed at every single American killed, but their eyes do not shed a drop of tear for thousands of Muslim innocents who lost lives just because a Super Power wanted to dominate their country"

http://terrorismcounter.blogspot.com...tatistics.html

Nah you wouldnt see any good things A/ you dont want to B/ They rarely get reported...I told you not to bother including Iraq etc#

On Haiti:

Bahrain: The government has donated $1 million to relief efforts.

Jordan: A Jordanian air force plane carrying a military field hospital and 6 tons of food and supplies left Amman on January 14. A second plane carrying Jordanian medics left the following day.

Iran: Iran's Red Crescent society sent 30 tons of humanitarian aid, including food, tents and medicine, on January 16.

Kuwait: Kuwait donated $1 million to relief efforts; the Red Crescent is preparing 100 tons of food, medical supplies, tents and blankets to fly to Haiti.

Lebanon: Lebanon is loading a plane with 25 tons of tents and 3 tons of medical supplies; it leaves tomorrow.

Morocco: Two planes carrying 24 tons of aid left the city of Kenitra on January 16. The Moroccan government has pledged $1 million in aid to Haiti.

Qatar: A Qatari C-17 aircraft loaded with 50 tons of aid left for Port-au-Prince on January 14. The Qatari government also sent a rescue team to set up a field hospital; the Red Crescent will sent another $100,000.

Turkey: Three cargo planes -- carrying search-and-rescue teams, a mobile hospital and aid materials -- left for Haiti on January 16. Another two planes left yesterday. Turkey has also donated $1 million in cash.

United Arab Emirates: The UAE sent two planes loaded with tents, and a team from the UAE's Red Crescent will arrive in the Dominican Republic tomorrow to buy $500,000 worth of supplies and truck them to Haiti. Another 50 tons of emergency supplies will be air-lifted from Abu Dhabi tomorrow.

And these are just the countries in our area of interest -- I didn't include majority-Muslim countries like Indonesia and Malaysia, which have also made contributions. Oh, and the Islamic Society of North America set up a fund for Haiti, too.


• Saudi Arabia donated $50 million to the UN Flash Appeal.

• Syria has airlifted 30 tons of humanitarian aid.

• Tunisia pledged $1 million to the UN Emergency Fund for Haiti....


http://www.themajlis.org/2010/01/18/...-helping-haiti

http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=87760

http://www.imana.org/

"Muslim Aid, which launched a £250,000 aid campaign and donated £75,000, said its teams were installing purification units to provide clean drinking water and setting up a mobile field hospital" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8462895.stm

http://www.muslimsforhaiti.org/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/4685378...02041112/show/

On Peace:

"Wars in last 150 years

1860-65: American civil war (360,000)
1886-1908: Belgium-Congo Free State (3 million)
1899-02: British-Boer war (100,000)
1904: Germany Vs Namibia (65,000)
1904-05: Japan Vs Russia (150,000)
1910-20: Mexican revolution (250,000)
1911: Chinese Revolution (2.4 million)
1911-12: Italian-Ottoman war (20,000)
1912-13: Balkan wars (150,000)
1915: the Ottoman empire slaughters Armenians (1.2 million)
1914-18: World War I (8 million)
1917-21: Soviet revolution (5 million)
1928-37: Chinese civil war (2 million)
1931: Japanese Manchurian War (1.1 million)
1934: Mao's Long March (170,000)
1936: Italy's invasion of Ethiopia (200,000)
1936-37: Stalin's purges (13 million)
1936-39: Spanish civil war (600,000)
1939-45: World War II (55 million) including holocaust and Chinese revolution
1946-49: Chinese civil war (1.2 million)
1946-49: Greek civil war (50,000)

1947: Partition of India and Pakistan (1 million)
1948-1973: Arab-Israeli wars (70,000)
1948-: Kashmir's civil war (40,000)
1949-: Indian Muslims Vs Hindus (20,000)
1950-53: Korean war (4 million)
1954-62: French-Algerian war (1 million)
1958-61: Mao's "Great Leap Forward" (30 million)
1960-90: South Africa Vs Africa National Congress (?)
1961-2003: Kurds Vs Iraq (180,000)
1962-75: Mozambique Frelimo Vs Portugal (?)
1964-73: USA-Vietnam war (3 million)
1965: second India-Pakistan war over Kashmir
1965-66: Indonesian civil war (200,000)
1966-69: Mao's "Cultural Revolution" (11 million)
1966-: Colombia's civil war (31,000)
1967-70: Nigeria-Biafra civil war (800,000)
1968-80: Rhodesia's civil war (?)
1969-79: Idi Amin, Uganda (300,000)
1969-02: IRA - Northern Ireland's civil war (2,000)
1969-79: Francisco Macias Nguema, Equatorial Guinea (50,000)
1971: Pakistan-Bangladesh civil war (500,000)
1972-: Philippines Vs Muslim separatists (120,000)
1972: Burundi's civil war (300,000)
1972-79: Rhodesia/Zimbabwe's civil war (30,000)
1974-91: Ethiopian civil war (1,000,000)
1975-78: Menghitsu, Ethiopia (1.5 million)
1975-79: Khmer Rouge, Cambodia (1.7 million)
1975-89: Boat people, Vietnam (250,000)
1975-90: civil war in Lebanon (40,000)
1975-87: Laos' civil war (184,000)
1975-2002: Angolan civil war (500,000)
1976-83: Argentina's military regime (20,000
1976-93: Mozambique's civil war (900,000)
1976-98: Indonesia-East Timor civil war (600,000)
1976-: Indonesia-Aceh (GAM) civil war (12,000)
1979: Vietnam-China war (30,000)
1979-88: the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan (1.3 million)
1980-88: Iraq-Iran war (1 million)
1980-92: Sendero Luminoso - Peru's civil war (69,000)
1980-92: El Salvador's civil war (100,000)
1980-99: Kurds Vs Turkey (35,000)
1982-90: Hussein Habre, Chad (40,000)
1983-2002: Sri Lanka's civil war (64,000)
1983-2002: Sudanese civil war (2 million)
1987-: Palestinian Intifada (4,500)
1988-2001: Afghanistan civil war (400,000)
1988-2004: Somalia's civil war (550,000)
1989-: Liberian civil war (220,000)
1989-: Uganda Vs Lord's Resistance Army (30,000)
1991: Gulf War - large coalition against Iraq to liberate Kuwait (85,000)
1991-97: Congo's civil war (800,000)
1991-2000: Sierra Leone's civil war (200,000)
1991-: Russia-Chechnya civil war (200,000)
1991-94: Armenia-Azerbaijan war (35,000)
1992-96: Tajikstan's civil war war (50,000)
1992-96: Yugoslavia's civil war (200,000)
1992-99: Algerian civil war (150,000)
1993-97: Congo Brazzaville's civil war (100,000)
1993-: Burundi's civil war (200,000)
1994: Rwanda's civil war (900,000)
1995-: Pakistani Sunnis Vs Shiites (1,300)
1995-: Maoist rebellion in Nepal (10,000)
1998-: Congo/Zaire's war - Rwanda and Uganda Vs Zimbabwe, Angola and Namibia (3.8 million)
1998-2000: Ethiopia-Eritrea war (75,000)
1999: Kosovo's liberation war - NATO Vs Serbia (2,000)
2001: Afghanistan's liberation war - USA & UK Vs Taliban (25,000)
2002-: Cote d'Ivoire's civil war (1,000)
2003: Iraq's liberation war - USA, UK and Australia Vs Saddam Hussein (14,000)
2003-: Sudan Vs Darfur (70,000)
2003-: Iraq's civil war (100,000)


Out of the total number of around 160 million dead, more than 135 million have been killed in or by countries that are now the five big powers of the world, namely China, the US, the UK, France and Russia. The killings by or in Muslim countries form a very small percentage of the total killings, despite the fact that Muslims form about one fifth of the world population."
http://terrorismcounter.blogspot.com...tatistics.html



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Bahrain:
Jordan:
Iran: Iran's Red Crescent society sent 30 tons of humanitarian aid, including food, tents and medicine, on January 16.

"Muslim Aid, which launched a £250,000 aid campaign and donated £75,000, said its teams were installing purification units to provide clean drinking water and setting up a mobile field hospital" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8462895.stm

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(your) Source?
No.
We already know that those countries have to put up something near the neighbourhood of other countries.

So don't bother 'one-upping' with that because you still DO NOT SEE boatloads of volunteers from mosques going over donating time and effort and aid.
You don't.

If you wanted to play the numbers game you could not only list all nations donating that much,
but,
NON MUSLIM USA and GERMANY FAR FAR OUT CASHED Tsunami relief when INCLUDING THE ISLAMIC NATIONS.
WAY MORE Actual CASH MONEY from them than from the Islamic nations,
AND,
.... getting back to the original point and problem you want to answer:
- The NON-Muslim nations didn't just give MORE MONEY,
but,
There was actually a 'problem' with far too many Christian mission groups (not government money here) but people ALSO paying their own ways, paying their own boats and supplies,
and,
standing around asking if they could spend months rebuilding.

Thousands of Christian youth group members.. often in Muslim regions in addition to the money and aid already supplied by their governments,
yet,
Where were thousands of Muslim youth?

- Training to murder civilians in Jihad training camps.
- Exploding enemies in suicide bombings.
- A few videotaped themselves 'moaning sexually' as they sawed off the head of a living person with kitchen knives saying 'praise Allah'.
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