[boldjohn]

Originally Posted by KingPrawn

Both Pete and Glyn were always going to finish 1st and 2nd. She never stood a chance of displacing them.

If anything it was the behaviour of the ex housemates in the HND that improved her popularity. She received a sympathy vote similar to Sara in BB9 (over Darnell and Rex 'bullying' Sara). That is the reason why she beat Richard.

If you read the forums the majority of the incidents you have highlighted probably helped her more than hindered her.

Aiseyne was second favourite with most bookies until the late afternoon on the final day, when some put Glyn up to 2nd. So for Glyn to finish 2nd, Aisleyne had to be displaced. I would accept that some incidents won sympathy with the forum members who watched the live feed. Very few of them liked Pete or Glyn. The trouble is most people just watched the highlights and saw a negative representation of Aisleyne. If Aisleyne did prosper from the editing, it would have been because people thought she was being unfairly treated. I gather that a similar thing happened to Rachel Rice in BB9.

[Beastie]

Aww I liked Aishleyne but Pete and Glyn were consistently nice characters who played their BB games well

[boldjohn]

I agree that Sezer and Grace got bad edits. As soon as they were gone, Aisleyne started to be their new villain.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by boldjohn

I agree that Sezer and Grace got bad edits. As soon as they were gone, Aisleyne started to be their new villain.

If bad edits = better entertainment then I am all for it.

[KingPrawn]

Originally Posted by boldjohn

Aiseyne was second favourite with most bookies until the late afternoon on the final day, when some put Glyn up to 2nd. So for Glyn to finish 2nd, Aisleyne had to be displaced. I would accept that some incidents won sympathy with the forum members who watched the live feed. Very few of them liked Pete or Glyn. The trouble is most people just watched the highlights and saw a negative representation of Aisleyne. If Aisleyne did prosper from the editing, it would have been because people thought she was being unfairly treated. I gather that a similar thing happened to Rachel Rice in BB9.

Aisleyne was second favourite because of a story that appeared in the red tops stating that Aisleyne was ahead in the vote. I suspect that Pete and Glyn were always ahead but the producers, always looking at their profit line, started a rumour that Aisleyne was ahead in the vote to 'encourage' Pete and Glyn fans to vote even more.

You say that people got a negative representation of Aisleyne. I disagree. The highlights showed the following incidents:-

a. sticking up for Michael when Richard called Michael a 'she';
b. calming down a row between Spiral and Jennie;
c. her comic turn of sticking 50 Malteasers in her mouth.

These and other incidents showed Aisleyne in a positive light.

Obviously, there were incidents that Aisleyne deservedly got lambasted for:-

a. flirting around with Pete in front of Nikki on her return from HND;
b. recounting a conversation she had with Grace to Mikey during the first spin-the-bottle where Grace was embarrassed by Mikey joining in with the game and Grace stated that she would '...not take Mikey home to meet her mother';
c. her behaviour over being labelled the top 'Mach' in the house with just ridiculous.

And BB did not show on the highlights show her taking advantage of an 18 year old boy by flirting with him during the weekend before final nominations just so she wouldn't be up for eviction. If the general public has seen that then she would have not been very popular at all.

[boldjohn]

Originally Posted by KingPrawn

Aisleyne was second favourite because of a story that appeared in the red tops stating that Aisleyne was ahead in the vote. I suspect that Pete and Glyn were always ahead but the producers, always looking at their profit line, started a rumour that Aisleyne was ahead in the vote to 'encourage' Pete and Glyn fans to vote even more.

You say that people got a negative representation of Aisleyne. I disagree. The highlights showed the following incidents:-

a. sticking up for Michael when Richard called Michael a 'she';
b. calming down a row between Spiral and Jennie;
c. her comic turn of sticking 50 Malteasers in her mouth.

These and other incidents showed Aisleyne in a positive light.

Obviously, there were incidents that Aisleyne deservedly got lambasted for:-

a. flirting around with Pete in front of Nikki on her return from HND;
b. recounting a conversation she had with Grace to Mikey during the first spin-the-bottle where Grace was embarrassed by Mikey joining in with the game and Grace stated that she would '...not take Mikey home to meet her mother';
c. her behaviour over being labelled the top 'Mach' in the house with just ridiculous.

And BB did not show on the highlights show her taking advantage of an 18 year old boy by flirting with him during the weekend before final nominations just so she wouldn't be up for eviction. If the general public has seen that then she would have not been very popular at all.

There was nothing wrong with Aisleyne talking to Pete. At that time, Nikki and Pete were not an item and Pete was not anyone's property. Aisleyne did not come between Pete and Nikki when Pete made his feelings for Nikki clear.

It was good that the producers showed some of Aisleyne's postive points, but why shouldn't they have shown them if that's what she did? The negative stuff was usually heresay. It came from other housemates such a Nikki, Lea or Richard, who gave a running commentary on all the negative parts of her character. We rarely saw or heard see any evidence to back up their claims - just catchy slurs and insults, which were snapped up by BB presenters, who made it clear that Aisleyne was not their favourite. All of the presenters were horrible towards her until the complaints came in the final week.

Aisleyne's large internet following comprised people who'd enjoyed watching her on E4 and were disappointed to see so much positive Aisleyne moments exclluded from the highlights. We were watching a totally different show to the one which was manifactured for the highlights show. A newspaper article at the time quoted an inside source saying that the producers were engineering the programme to prevent Aisleyne from winning. Your suspicion that Pete and Glyn were always ahead overlooks the betting in the final week, which placed Aisleyne as second favourite. Some put Glyn as second favourite on Friday evening. Glyn had to overtake Aisleyne to come second.

[KingPrawn]

Originally Posted by boldjohn

There was nothing wrong with Aisleyne talking to Pete. At that time, Nikki and Pete were not an item and Pete was not anyone's property. Aisleyne did not come between Pete and Nikki when Pete made his feelings for Nikki clear.

I think that they did a bit more than just talk! She flirted with Pete, in front of Nikki, just to spite Nikki (and by the way I think Pete is just as bad).

Originally Posted by boldjohn

It was good that the producers showed some of Aisleyne's postive points, but why shouldn't they have shown them if that's what she did? The negative stuff was usually heresay. It came from other housemates such a Nikki, Lea or Richard, who gave a running commentary on all the negative parts of her character. We rarely saw or heard see any evidence to back up their claims - just catchy slurs and insults, which were snapped up by BB presenters, who made it clear that Aisleyne was not their favourite. All of the presenters were horrible towards her until the complaints came in the final week.

Of course, but you take the rough with the smooth.

Let's look at Richard. The day before Grace's eviction, he had a conversation with Aisleyne concerning Imogen. Aisleyne called Imogen 'fake' and a 'manteef' during the conversation. Yet the following night, after the water incident, she was making up with Imogen and becoming her best friend. No wonder he and Lea had a go at Aisleyne's hypocrisy.

Then look at her tears over Imogen's eviction. When Imogen was moved into the house next door with Richard, she celebrated the fact that she was in the final (while Pete, Jennie and Glyn were sad at the loss of their friends). All thought of her friend went right out of the window didn't it? Those tears were fake and a lot of people know it!

Originally Posted by boldjohn

Aisleyne's large internet following comprised people who'd enjoyed watching her on E4 and were disappointed to see so much positive Aisleyne moments exclluded from the highlights. We were watching a totally different show to the one which was manifactured for the highlights show. A newspaper article at the time quoted an inside source saying that the producers were engineering the programme to prevent Aisleyne from winning. Your suspicion that Pete and Glyn were always ahead overlooks the betting in the final week, which placed Aisleyne as second favourite. Some put Glyn as second favourite on Friday evening. Glyn had to overtake Aisleyne to come second.

If the producers were engineering the show to ensure that Aisleyne would not win then they did a pretty poor job.

She should have been nominated and evicted during the final set of nominations yet Pete, inextricably, changed his nomination from Aisleyne to Glyn. They could have got rid of her there and then. But it looks like they engineered it to keep her in!

Let's look at the final week. The moment that everyone talks about is Aisleyne's speech about Pete. The reaction to that speech (along with his 'I have a dream' speech) just exposed Pete's shallowness. Yet Aisleyne fans hold it up as bias against their girl!

The story you quoted was published in that paragon of truth, the Daily Star. Very reliable.

[boldjohn]

Originally Posted by KingPrawn

I think that they did a bit more than just talk! She flirted with Pete, in front of Nikki, just to spite Nikki (and by the way I think Pete is just as bad).



Of course, but you take the rough with the smooth.

Let's look at Richard. The day before Grace's eviction, he had a conversation with Aisleyne concerning Imogen. Aisleyne called Imogen 'fake' and a 'manteef' during the conversation. Yet the following night, after the water incident, she was making up with Imogen and becoming her best friend. No wonder he and Lea had a go at Aisleyne's hypocrisy.

Then look at her tears over Imogen's eviction. When Imogen was moved into the house next door with Richard, she celebrated the fact that she was in the final (while Pete, Jennie and Glyn were sad at the loss of their friends). All thought of her friend went right out of the window didn't it? Those tears were fake and a lot of people know it!




If the producers were engineering the show to ensure that Aisleyne would not win then they did a pretty poor job.

She should have been nominated and evicted during the final set of nominations yet Pete, inextricably, changed his nomination from Aisleyne to Glyn. They could have got rid of her there and then. But it looks like they engineered it to keep her in!

Let's look at the final week. The moment that everyone talks about is Aisleyne's speech about Pete. The reaction to that speech (along with his 'I have a dream' speech) just exposed Pete's shallowness. Yet Aisleyne fans hold it up as bias against their girl!

The story you quoted was published in that paragon of truth, the Daily Star. Very reliable.

Point taken aabout the Star and you rightly point out the moments which could have worked in Aisleyne's favour. The producers had no involvement in Pete's nomination choices. It was more surprising to me when he did nominate Aisleyne than when he didn't nominate her. Ash never nominated Pete.

My problem with your argument is that the housemates were slagging her off, the presenters slagged her off, the audiences were slagging her off and the newspapers were slagging her off. I could not relate to any of the opinions about Aisleyne on the supporting shows. It looked like a stitch up. The reaction of the public to it does not mean that the producers tried to evoke sympathy for Aisleyne. They had a lynch mob of ex-housemates threatening her with physical violence. They sent in Grace to confront her before sending her other adversary, Nikki back into the house. None of this was intended to evoke sympathy. Aisleyne was the upstart latecomer that needed to be brought down spectacularly by the perceived big players.

This was character assassination from outside which influenced the behaviour within the house. If the public did feel sympathy for Aisleyne, that was because they knew that she had be unfairly treated and the vote for Aisleyne was a reaction against the actions of the producers. Some may have been put off Nikki and found Pete shallow, but I doubt if that was the intention. Yes I agree. They didn't do a good job.

[Raph]

Loved them both!
But Glyn should've won BB7!

[Raph]

or Imogen

[Braden]

Originally Posted by sweety_samy

or Imogen

Oh god, don't get me started on that boring beauty

[KingPrawn]

Originally Posted by boldjohn

Point taken aabout the Star and you rightly point out the moments which could have worked in Aisleyne's favour. The producers had no involvement in Pete's nomination choices. It was more surprising to me when he did nominate Aisleyne than when he didn't nominate her. Ash never nominated Pete.

I wouldn't be so sure about the producers involvement in changing Pete's nomination. It was obvious that they planned for the nominated housemates in week 12 to be moved across to the HND. Logistically, seven people in the HND would have been one too many. Plus the arguments that would have arisen between Grace, Nikki, Mikey and Aisleyne would have been even greater in the even confined space.

Originally Posted by boldjohn

My problem with your argument is that the housemates were slagging her off, the presenters slagged her off, the audiences were slagging her off and the newspapers were slagging her off. I could not relate to any of the opinions about Aisleyne on the supporting shows. It looked like a stitch up. The reaction of the public to it does not mean that the producers tried to evoke sympathy for Aisleyne. They had a lynch mob of ex-housemates threatening her with physical violence. They sent in Grace to confront her before sending her other adversary, Nikki back into the house. None of this was intended to evoke sympathy. Aisleyne was the upstart latecomer that needed to be brought down spectacularly by the perceived big players.

This was character assassination from outside which influenced the behaviour within the house. If the public did feel sympathy for Aisleyne, that was because they knew that she had be unfairly treated and the vote for Aisleyne was a reaction against the actions of the producers. Some may have been put off Nikki and found Pete shallow, but I doubt if that was the intention. Yes I agree. They didn't do a good job.

But this worked in her favour. But sorry it did not make her a good housemate! But then again the only good housemate in the final six was Richard (people will disagree with me on that, I know).

Very similar to what happened in BB9 with Sara who somehow beat Rex, who was far and away the most memorable housemate from BB9. Sara came third because the public felt sympathy for the way she was 'bullied' by Rex, Mo and Darnell. But she was not a memorable housemate.

[bbfan1991]

Very similar to what happened in BB9 with Sara who somehow beat Rex, who was far and away the most memorable housemate from BB9. Sara came third because the public felt sympathy for the way she was 'bullied' by Rex, Mo and Darnell. But she was not a memorable housemate.

Sara wasn't bullied, like how I think Aisleyne wasn't bullied in BB7, Rex and co kept having digs at her and saying nasty things at times thats all. I liked Sara she was a fun, flirty, bubbly and nice girl plus she was pretty to me. She didn't do anything to offend anyone and was a decent person so I was pleased when she finished third as she didn't expect it and plus Darnell and co were expecting her to be evicted the week Mo and Kat left... their faces after. I loved seeing Rex and Darnell out before her their smirks were soon wiped off.

Sara is like my third fav from BB9.

[*mazedsalv**]

It proves how different an "Evict" vote and a "Save/Win" vote can result in a huge turnaround.

Memorable housemates would go in an evict but not in a save. I heard that Aisleyne was 2nd next to go when Nikki went up against all those people. Aisleyne and Nikki were both like marmite. Aisleynes positive vote outweighed her negative vote making her get to 3rd place.

As I said before, people realised that Ais was getting bad edits, when you see the LF and the HLs there was a big difference.

For Aisleyne it really was panto, they were chanting "Get Aisleyne Out" but in the middle and at the end of her interview, there were pure cheers, no boos... even Davina said "Ohh there cheering her now" at the end of the interview.

[bbfan1991]

Yeah but it's against forum rules to NOT like Aisleyne.

As for Nikki anything is allowed to be said about her.

[KingPrawn]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

Sara wasn't bullied, like how I think Aisleyne wasn't bullied in BB7, Rex and co kept having digs at her and saying nasty things at times thats all. I liked Sara she was a fun, flirty, bubbly and nice girl plus she was pretty to me. She didn't do anything to offend anyone and was a decent person so I was pleased when she finished third as she didn't expect it and plus Darnell and co were expecting her to be evicted the week Mo and Kat left... their faces after. I loved seeing Rex and Darnell out before her their smirks were soon wiped off.

Sara is like my third fav from BB9.

I agree that Sara wasn't bullied just as Aisleyne was not bullied in BB7. But that was the perception that made them more popular.

[bbfan1991]

Aisleyne isn't memorable to me... Oops I shouldn't say that. She is to her fans, each to their own!.

[boldjohn]

Originally Posted by thebeast

If bad edits = better entertainment then I am all for it.

Rather you than me.

[boldjohn]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

Aisleyne isn't memorable to me... Oops I shouldn't say that. She is to her fans, each to their own!.

Funny how you keep mentioning her.

Aisleyne has been refered to as *******yne amongst ther names by her detractors. She has been criticized for the way she looks and the way she talks. I always found this unfair. This and the bad edits are what has strengthened her support. I would never say anything bad about any housemate without a good reason. I have never criticized Nikki for her looks. It has always been for her behaviour, which I found to be worse than anyone I'd ever seen before. I've never criticized her unfairly.

[KingPrawn]

Originally Posted by KingPrawn

Let's look at Richard. The day before Grace's eviction, he had a conversation with Aisleyne concerning Imogen. Aisleyne called Imogen 'fake' and a 'manteef' during the conversation. Yet the following night, after the water incident, she was making up with Imogen and becoming her best friend. No wonder he and Lea had a go at Aisleyne's hypocrisy.

Then look at her tears over Imogen's eviction. When Imogen was moved into the house next door with Richard, she celebrated the fact that she was in the final (while Pete, Jennie and Glyn were sad at the loss of their friends). All thought of her friend went right out of the window didn't it? Those tears were fake and a lot of people know it!

Some cheeky git has copied it word for word and used it over at DS.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...1217039&page=9

[KingPrawn]

Originally Posted by boldjohn

Funny how you keep mentioning her.

Aisleyne has been refered to as *******yne amongst ther names by her detractors. She has been criticized for the way she looks and the way she talks. I always found this unfair. This and the bad edits are what has strengthened her support. I would never say anything bad about any housemate without a good reason. I have never criticized Nikki for her looks. It has always been for her behaviour, which I found to be worse than anyone I'd ever seen before. I've never criticized her unfairly.

But when people criticise Aisleyne's behaviour her fans come after them with a vengeance.

For example, on the numerous occassions that she has flashed her boobs or her arse outside nightclubs.

Making up stories to get herself in the press i.e. that she will get married some day to Mike Tyson (shortly after he got married). Or that she was engaged to some up-and-coming film star. Or that she had a stalker. Or that Lea and Richard had set up a website which was projecting hate towards her. Or that Lea and Richard had stopped her getting work by phoning the parties involved.

What about the fact that when Aisleyne was tardy when working for the radio station. Her fans ran a weekly thread over at DS and the show was called The Aisleyne Show. But when it ended because she failed to turn up, her fans said that the show was not a weekly show even though it was advertised as such.

The reaction of Aisleyne's fans p*sses off her detractors just as much as the woman herself.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by boldjohn

Funny how you keep mentioning her.

Aisleyne has been refered to as *******yne amongst ther names by her detractors. She has been criticized for the way she looks and the way she talks. I always found this unfair. This and the bad edits are what has strengthened her support. I would never say anything bad about any housemate without a good reason. I have never criticized Nikki for her looks. It has always been for her behaviour, which I found to be worse than anyone I'd ever seen before. I've never criticized her unfairly.

Like how Aisleyne fans keep mentioning Nikki.

Nikki has been called thikki by some Aisleyne fans on other forums so it works both ways in terms of insults.. we should all be allowed to have debate without resorting to petty insults. What bad edits?, BB show what they want us to see and don't care about the fans so we can't do nothing about it and Aisleyne would never have challenged Pete or Glyn IMO as they were the front two from the beginning and maybe Nikki was BB's fav but then again Glyn was always mentioned on BBBM by Dermot.

Are them pair even friends now as i've saw pictures of them at events etc?.