[Twilight]

I have 283 albums in itunes, if they all cost like £10 that over £2000

[Harry!]

I always buy CD's because I love the artwork and some of them are quite rare. I do like collecting things and have neally all of Madonna's albums because of it.

I dont like downloads I only have a few mp3 tracks.

[Shasown]

Yes I download music and videos illegally, I also because of my downloading go out and actually buy more music as a result, music in genres and from artistes I would not normally have considered.

It was claimed in a Panarama program last week that illegal downloaders actually spend more money as a result. I dont know the validity of the survey they used but it stated that illegal downloaders actually spend as much as three times a year more on buying music than people who dont downlaod.

Perhaps music industry bosses should look at their pricing policy when they charge 8 quid for a cd that costs just pennies to manufacture and distribute. Same with the movie industry really. Why pay top dollar for a cd/dvd when it is released if you want to wait a few weeks it will appear in the bargain bucket of one store or another?

If the results of the panarama survey actually holds any validity arent the music industry in danger of alienating music buyers who try before they buy. Resulting in overall fewer sales.

I know if the proposed law warning, then restricting access to the internet for illegal downloading, actually comes into effect, myself and others will try ip hiding programs etc then if still threatened will probably reduce the amount of downloading we do. This in turn would mean I wont have access to other forms of music not generally available on the radio stations or TV channels I use and therefore I wont be persuaded to buy it.

Isnt it really a case of some parts of the music industry cutting off their noses to spite their faces in the pursuit of more money? Which in a few years may actually cause a dramatic drop in the number of overall sales. I think it would be hilarious if that did indeed turn out to be the case.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Perhaps music industry bosses should look at their pricing policy when they charge 8 quid for a cd that costs just pennies to manufacture and distribute. Same with the movie industry really. Why pay top dollar for a cd/dvd when it is released if you want to wait a few weeks it will appear in the bargain bucket of one store or another?

Ik i'd deffo, buy it legally if it was cheaper, apart from stuff which hasnt been released or is a demo etc.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

There are a lot of things people cannot afford. I just bought several CD's off HMV website for £2.99 each. There is a lot of cheap stuff out there.

Yeah I like to get a bargain but sometimes when albulms are new released at a tenner.. some people rather download illegally from the net if they want it on their ipod. Spending a tenner on cds quite frequently.. well some people cannot afford that!

[Beastie]

I usually buy cheap DVD's. I have not downloaded a film from the net before. Quicker to download music!

[LewisMarvel]

I don't see it as illegal

[Enid]

Originally Posted by Twilight

I have 283 albums in itunes, if they all cost like £10 that over £2000

If my maths is correct (and believe me, it sucks), if an album is typically 100MB, then you would need nearly 3TB of hard drive storage to hold 283 albums.

[Beastie]

I have never bought anything from itunes. I either get the actual cd or free download.

[xDramatick]

Originally Posted by Enid

If my maths is correct (and believe me, it sucks), if an album is typically 100MB, then you would need nearly 3TB of hard drive storage to hold 283 albums.

Not necessarily..
I've got over 500 albums [though to be fair, they range in filesize/number of songs, some albums only have one/two songs, whereas others have over 20] and it comes to just over 29GB.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Yeah I like to get a bargain but sometimes when albulms are new released at a tenner.. some people rather download illegally from the net if they want it on their ipod. Spending a tenner on cds quite frequently.. well some people cannot afford that!

It's very rare I ever pay full price for a CD. I usually wait until it's on offer. Shops and websites have promotions on all the time. I don't have to have it on the day it comes out, but then again, if I was 16 I most probably would NEED it there and then.

The ability to illegally download stuff has it's pros and cons. The record industry both gain and lose with it. As was said above, you have greater exposure on the web, now more than ever before, to music, and it is readily accessible. That can introduce you to stuff you may not normally hear on radio/TV etc. So it can in fact generate more sales.

A lot of newer artists put their stuff out there, and make it accessible to the public, simply to get themselves heard, whereas as some of the more major artists don't really care as it does not affect them directly. Take Radiohead as an example. They gave their fans the choice to pay what they wanted for "In Rainbows". Mainly because they aren't tied to a record label, but also they know it will get them wider exposure, and most probably attract a wider crowd to their live shows.

There will never be a solution to this debate, as it has both it's good points, and it's bad. It's up to the individual to decide. Record companies will never get round this problem, and as Shasown said above, they should be careful as they could be cutting their nose of to spite their face.

[Enid]

Originally Posted by Darenn

Not necessarily..
I've got over 500 albums [though to be fair, they range in filesize/number of songs, some albums only have one/two songs, whereas others have over 20] and it comes to just over 29GB.

Ah, my maths failed me then.

[Enid]

I don't think I have ever had over 100 albums, even downloaded. It's pointless having an album if you only like one or two songs on it. I only listen to albums first and if I really like it then I download.

[Zippy]

We can record stuff off TV for free. Although technically it has all kinds of copyright issues. But nobody gives a ***** about them. Even the law doesn't care.

So I dont see how downloading music for free is any different. You can record music videos from MTV. Same difference....you get a copy of it for free.

And Im sure people make music ultimately for it to be heard by as many as possible. Unless youre a cold cynical act like Westlife who have always just had their eye on the money...***** the creativity.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Zippy

We can record stuff off TV for free. Although technically it has all kinds of copyright issues. But nobody gives a ***** about them. Even the law doesn't care.

Yeah but you have to pay a TV licence.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Yeah but you have to pay a TV licence.

Do you? Nobody told me.

And the licence isnt to do with your right to record programmes.

[Twilight]

Originally Posted by Enid

If my maths is correct (and believe me, it sucks), if an album is typically 100MB, then you would need nearly 3TB of hard drive storage to hold 283 albums.

Really? but Itunes says i have that many, maybe its lying:P
Edit:
Sorry seen what you put after:P

[Smithy]

But when you record a programme you dont put it online for others to see. With music you can do, which is what the fuss is about

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Do you? Nobody told me.

And the licence isnt to do with your right to record programmes.

Yeah but if you didn't have one, you would be only able to watch it illegally. Which is the same thing as we are discussing here about music. I wonder how many people would turn around and say "Fu.ck this. I am not paying my TV licence. I'll watch programmes illegally on my set or online"?? I doubt very many. I know I wouldn't.

[Zippy]

Once your music is out there you have to just except that millions will grab it for free. Its just the way it is and theres no putting the genie back in the bottle. Artists now have to find other ways to make their dosh. Like playing live. God forbid they have to actually go out there and sing for their supper.

And Im sure all these people whinging about the issue have themselves downloaded stuff for free too. Hypocrites.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

It's very rare I ever pay full price for a CD. I usually wait until it's on offer. Shops and websites have promotions on all the time. I don't have to have it on the day it comes out, but then again, if I was 16 I most probably would NEED it there and then.

The ability to illegally download stuff has it's pros and cons. The record industry both gain and lose with it. As was said above, you have greater exposure on the web, now more than ever before, to music, and it is readily accessible. That can introduce you to stuff you may not normally hear on radio/TV etc. So it can in fact generate more sales.

A lot of newer artists put their stuff out there, and make it accessible to the public, simply to get themselves heard, whereas as some of the more major artists don't really care as it does not affect them directly. Take Radiohead as an example. They gave their fans the choice to pay what they wanted for "In Rainbows". Mainly because they aren't tied to a record label, but also they know it will get them wider exposure, and most probably attract a wider crowd to their live shows.

There will never be a solution to this debate, as it has both it's good points, and it's bad. It's up to the individual to decide. Record companies will never get round this problem, and as Shasown said above, they should be careful as they could be cutting their nose of to spite their face.

Lol yeah it is just accessible. Also if they want to stop it all happening then they would have to shutdown major websites like youtube!!

Ooo I look on play.com and hmv.com everyday for bargains! lol

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Smithy

But when you record a programme you dont put it online for others to see. With music you can do, which is what the fuss is about

Thank god for demand 5 and 4od and bbc I player etc.. on the internet!

[Tom]

Yes its theft but its no worse now than it was 15 years ago. Its just that technology has moved on, 15 years ago people were taping off the radio.

Personally I think you're a mug if you'll buy music when you can get it for free.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LewisMarvel

I don't see it as illegal

You Will
once they Cut your House Internet Off.

[MrGaryy]

according to the Panorama special on illegal downloading, those who illegally download generally spend 60% more on music in a year than those who buy legally. Most illegal downloaders either download to see if an album is worth buying OR will buy it if they feel the artist deserves it anyway. I illegally download **** loads but I say I still spent over 100 pounds on music last year.

still though to be on the safe side
-moves to Ireland-