[Firewire]

Exactly.

Personally I do not believe in God.

But there is no proof that he is real nor is there proof that he isn't.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jonathan.

Exactly.

Personally I do not believe in God.

But there is no proof that he is real nor is there proof that he isn't.

Like there is no proof against the notion that there are breadcrumbs and easter eggs orbiting around Betelgeuse?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Like there is no proof against the notion that there are breadcrumbs and easter eggs orbiting around Betelgeuse?

Daft example, you easily disprove that

We will never know how the world started, or whether God exists or not in this lifetime.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

Daft example, you easily disprove that

We will never know how the world started, or whether God exists or not in this lifetime.

How so?

Billions of other examples exist. I love how an abstract, ill defined 'God' could sit outside the perimiter of the universe and the theory gains wide respect and acceptance just because 'god' as been a preserved facet of our culture for millions of years yet suggest to someone that a cardboard box could be floating outside it and they scoff. Why? One hypothesis is equally as absurd as the other. What if God is a box? You can't disprove that, just like ... as you said ... you can't disprove God, right?

It reminds me of that Douglas Adams anecdote of a cult of people who believed snots were demonic, and they prayed and prayed for the coming of 'the great sneeze'. Hey, that's the way our culture could have went. We just picked the man in the sky idea instead. Why is one perceived to be more insane than the other? Because we have been conditioned to accept one, and not the other.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

How so?

Billions of other examples exist. I love how an abstract, ill defined 'God' could sit outside the perimiter of the universe yet suggest to someone that a cardboard box could be floating outside it and they scoff. Why? One hypothesis is equally as absurd as the other. What if God is a box? You can't disprove that, just like ... as you said ... you can't disprove God, right?

You can look for Betelgeuse and see if easter eggs and bread crumbs are orbiting it or not, just as you could find the cardboard box.

You don't see God until you die (apparently). So whilst the examples you give are verifiable, God isn't.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

You can look for Betelgeuse and see if easter eggs and bread crumbs are orbiting it or not, just as you could find the cardboard box.

You don't see God until you die (apparently). So whilst the examples you give are verifiable, God isn't.

No, you couldn't find the cardboard box. That's why I chose to put it outside the perimeter of the universe in my theory. We have not yet breached the perimeter of the universe, nor have we even come to a conclusion that there is anything outside it. Try again.

You don't, however, see God until you die. How fucking convinient! Maybe you see the box when you die?

No, because that's silly .

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

No, you couldn't find the cardboard box. That's why I chose to put it outside the perimeter of the universe in my theory. We have not yet breached the perimeter of the universe, nor have we even come to a conclusion that there is anything outside it. Try again.

You don't, however, see God until you die. How fucking convinient! Maybe you see the box when you die?

No, because that's silly .

The cardboard box is a material object; God isn't. God is a separate entity to the universe. God isn't a giant man with a long beard and a pair of sandals.