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WOMBAI · 09-04-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pinkmichk

well given that the baby has a heart beat from around 6 weeks it is actually a life i dont agree with abortions personally so would love to see it lowered or gone completely i have a friend whos first daughter was born at 27 weeks and is now a thriving almost 6 year old i also know of a 25 weeker who has survived too

It can't be got rid off completely - however upsetting some may find the idea! Noone has the right to force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want!

Christmas Dynasnow · 09-04-2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

It can't be got rid off completely - however upsetting some may find the idea! Noone has the right to force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want!

perhaps she waved that option when she got pregnant, after all we all know how it happens

WOMBAI · 09-04-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

perhaps she waved that option when she got pregnant, after all we all know how it happens

Mistakes happen - young girls who are niave are often pressured into sex by boyfriends - lots of different reasons - doesn't mean they should pay for it for the rest of their lives! Not to mention risk their lives as noone ever knows what complications may arise during the birth - there is always a risk!

It is called forcing your opinions on others - just because you don't believe in it - doesn't mean you have the right to force your opinion on others!

Christmas Dynasnow · 09-04-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Mistakes happen - young girls who are niave are often pressured into sex by boyfriends - lots of different reasons - doesn't mean they should pay for it for the rest of their lives! Not to mention risk their lives as noone ever knows what complications may arise during the birth - there is always a risk!

It is called forcing your opinions on others - just because you don't believe in it - doesn't mean you have the right to force your opinion on others!

either you value human life above convenience or you do not

WOMBAI · 09-04-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

either you value human life above convenience or you do not

What a 'laying a guilt trip' comment that is - if only life were that simple! Words are cheap - they mean nothing unless put to the test! Who are you or anyone else to decide what choice someone else has in a situation like that!

Maybe abandoning your children and taking no responsibility in their lives - should be made a criminal offence - might make many men think before pulling their trousers down! It takes two!

Shasown · 09-04-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

What a 'laying a guilt trip' comment that is - if only life were that simple! Words are cheap - they mean nothing unless put to the test! Who are you or anyone else to decide what choice someone else has in a situation like that!

I think its easy to sit on one side or the other of the debate and fail to see the other sides point of view, at what date would you suggest the life inside the female becomes a life and is worthy of legal protection?

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Maybe abandoning your children and taking no responsibility in their lives - should be made a criminal offence - might make many men think before pulling their trousers down! It takes two!

And we all know that women are all angels and its always the man's fault. Though what denial of parental responsibilities has to do with a debate on Cameron wanting to lower the time limit on abortion is beyond me or is it just another chance to have a pop at men, to hijack a thread and make another stand for feminism and against the evil of all men?

WOMBAI · 09-04-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

I think its easy to sit on one side or the other of the debate and fail to see the other sides point of view, at what date would you suggest the life inside the female becomes a life and is worthy of legal protection?

And we all know that women are all angels and its always the man's fault. Though what denial of parental responsibilities has to do with a debate on Cameron wanting to lower the time limit on abortion is beyond me or is it just another chance to have a pop at men, to hijack a thread and make another stand for feminism and against the evil of all men?

Firstly - I believe 24 weeks is too late, as I have already stated in this thread, although I am not altogether sure what would be an appropriate date!

Secondly - when did I ever say women were angels - they clearly aren't!

Thirdly - my comments were a response to a poster whose comments implied that young women getting pregnant was all young womens' fault! I said it takes two - as it clearly does! If I went off track a bit, as many often do, it was not an intended attempt to 'hijack' a thread as you clearly implied!

Like many, abortion is something I have strong opinions on as is the fact that it is not just a female 'problem' and if some want to legislate and force women to have babies then there should also be legislation in place that makes the men involved take their share of responsibility - and not just put it all on the women as is often the case! That is not about making a stand for feminism against the 'evil of all men' - which sounds to me like a bandwagon you are jumping on!

Tom4784 · 09-04-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Mistakes happen - young girls who are niave are often pressured into sex by boyfriends - lots of different reasons - doesn't mean they should pay for it for the rest of their lives! Not to mention risk their lives as noone ever knows what complications may arise during the birth - there is always a risk!

It is called forcing your opinions on others - just because you don't believe in it - doesn't mean you have the right to force your opinion on others!

It doesn#t happen often Wombai but I agree with you completely here.