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Originally Posted by Stu

Zee, to say Mephedrone is as addictive as Heroin is utterly slanderous and without base. It's not. It's the governments telling of white lies, just as you have done, that makes people so wary of substance legislation.

I know six alcoholics. That's twice the amount of Mephedrone addicts you know. So under the logic of 'my best mates brothers dog', should we ban alcohol? No, because that would be silly.

What people don't realise about Meph is that while it is a dangerous drug, it's danger increases vastly with illegality. There is no room for debate on that issue. It's very black and white.

The government missed the one chance they had to stick a finger in the recreational drugs mark it and regulate it to make it safer. Now do you know what will happen? None of your drug addict buddies will be buying pure, clean Mephedrone from stores. They will buy it at twice the price mixed with rat poison, funding someones burgeoning new Uzi collection.


That's not Mephedrone, that's you happening to know a lot of idiots. One thing I have learned is that people generally tend to be reactionary, emotional idiots who jump into situations without knowing what they are doing. Look at the government.

And what else happens when you ban Mephedrone? We are already starting to see replacement research chemicals like naphyrone and MDAI. More untested, more dangerous drugs! Wahey! Aint we the smart race?

We have yet to have a confirmed UK or Ireland death as a direct result of Mephedrone intoxication and we are banning it. Is there not something that strikes you as completely over the hills insane about that? That we are turning down the chance to make something safer in favour of making more people criminals?

That's what we want, isin't it? An oversurplus of criminals? Screw responsible drug use.

Fuck this planet.

I'm gonna have to shoot you down on your first point Stu; how is me saying that slanderous or without base? I just gave you plenty of examples of people I know well; I'm certainly not making it up. It's hard to really pass qualified judgement on the long lasting side effects, IMO, because it's not been around in the mainstream long enough yet; whereas with the likes of heroin, cocaine and the gang, the effects are well documented and it's therefore easier or more difficult, depending on the drug, to argue the case for/against it being illegal. I've paid no attention to what the government has to say about mephedrone, I'm giving my honest opinions through personal experience.

I'm not going to address your second point, because I think it's redundant to argue it; my beef isn't with the legality/illegality of mephedrone, it's with the attitudes of people towards it. I absolutely agree with your third point, and you're right, there is nothing to argue there - but I also feel that, because of the validity of that point, it could lend support to my point about MCAT being highly addictive - time will tell, I suppose, we just don't know yet. I'm fully aware of what will happen now that it's illegal; hence my apprehension and worry for my friends. I'm worried that those two girls are going to end up selling themselves or stealing to get a hit of something lethal.

People being forced out of groups of friends because they don't take drugs, to me, is a big deal. If I was in that situation, I think I'd jump before I was pushed, but that's just an example of how far this stuff has spread. I didn't even know any weed users last year in my day to day life; but I know plenty of MCAT users. I'm not too sure what to make of that, but I think it's a sign that something is seriously wrong with the assumption that it's 'not that bad' as far as drugs go.

Does it really take something as drastic as a death to warrant outlawing something? I'm not sure if it's double standards on my behalf because I feel the effects of MCAT in my life more than most other "jumping the gun" kind of issues; but I really do feel it was for the best to ban MCAT. On the other hand, I would have said banning something else without a proper reason was a step too far. Is that double standards? Maybe it is, but then I suppose it's true that something's never quite so serious until it affects you.

That's the thing though Stu - if they regulated it, it would have been smart, it would have made it safe and educated for people who chose to do it - but the people I know that do it aren't sensible people, they're doing this stuff for fun and are, only now, beginning to realise that the party ended a long time ago. People my age from my home city and the one I'm living in just now are doing this stuff so regularly that it's the norm to admit you do it - I'd be stunned to hear of someone admitting they regularly do cocaine in normal conversation with people they barely know.

In a sort of conclusion, I think we can all agree that now that it's been made illegal, it's going to get worse. At least when it was still legal, regular users weren't snorting things that have been "scientifically proven" (the Government seem to love that, don't they? ) to be harmful. The whole MCAT debacle truly depresses me, I just wish it would disappear.