[lily.]

I'm a mum!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Photon

I think it should be as easy as possible to get an abortion. Making it difficult is just a way of passive aggressively punishing woman over perceptions of morality.

There should be better sex education programs that help people understand protection and sexual health, so that less people have reason to seek abortion. Punishing women and/or subtly humiliating them is not going to make this situation better.

that ^^^ would be what we have had and 195,000 dead babies resulted in 2009

so what else have you got?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lily.

I'm a mum!

and when did you realise that your child has ruined your life?

[Photon]

You keep whining about dead babies and asking dumb questions.

I'll ask you something worthwhile. Do you have a specific value in that number that shows how many people were in a position to be raising a child? How many were unable to raise a child for reasons of financial instability, health, or a variety of other issues that would be unfair on both the parents, and the child especially?

This issue is more complex than a large number and your resulting outrage.

[lily.]

My children didn't ruin my life. I wanted/planned them. The children being aborted are unwanted.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lily.

My children didn't ruin my life. I wanted/planned them. The children being aborted are unwanted.

do you think that they would be unwanted after birth?

perhaps not

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Photon

You keep whining about dead babies and asking dumb questions.

I'll ask you something worthwhile. Do you have a specific value in that number that shows how many people were in a position to be raising a child? How many were unable to raise a child for reasons of financial instability, health, or a variety of other issues that would be unfair on both the parents, and the child especially?

This issue is more complex than a large number and your resulting outrage.

It would complex issue if you were in charge of questions.

once more for us English speakers please

[Photon]

Wait a minute, you referenced an article on abortion from a Christian website?

Wow.

[lily.]

You know, I hate to play the 'female' card here, but I'm going to.

As a woman, I've gone through two successful planned/wanted pregnancies. None of them were straight-forward.

I have a friend who almost died giving birth, and she had to have blood transfusions afterwards.

I have another friend who was left with a range of physical problems after having her first child.

You can't deny that pregnancy/childbirth takes it's toll on a woman's body, and leaves it's mark afterwards. There are still health risks (even in 2010) with pregnancy/childbirth.

So, with all that in mind, would you still like to see women go through all that for a child they don't want and didn't plan?

I understand you are a Christian, and that might be why you have such strong views on the issue. But with all due respect, you must understand that not everyone feels the same. And although I agree with you that the figures are outrageous given that all women are aware of how to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancies, I don't see you coming up with a feasible solution.

[Enid]

Originally Posted by Photon

You keep whining about dead babies and asking dumb questions.

I'll ask you something worthwhile. Do you have a specific value in that number that shows how many people were in a position to be raising a child? How many were unable to raise a child for reasons of financial instability, health, or a variety of other issues that would be unfair on both the parents, and the child especially?

This issue is more complex than a large number and your resulting outrage.

You're wasting your time with him. I've tried before...

[lily.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It would complex issue if you were in charge of questions.

once more for us English speakers please

I speak English and I understood it just fine.

He would like a breakdown of the people who had abortions to see the percentage of them who would be unable to take care of the resulting child.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Enid

You're wasting your time with him. I've tried before...

The more gracious post would have been to admit you gave up after being exposed as rather clueless

(but i wont tell anyone, honest)

[Photon]

You sure got her.

[Enid]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The more gracious post would have been to admit you gave up after being exposed as rather clueless

(but i wont tell anyone, honest)

"Exposed"? LOL.

More like the argument fell flat on it's arse because there's absolutely no getting through to you about anything your religion opposes. Nothing is as ever as black and white as you like to make out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lily.

I speak English and I understood it just fine.

He would like a breakdown of the people who had abortions to see the percentage of them who would be unable to take care of the resulting child.

I would imagine a very small percentage would be deemed by social work to be unfit parents, maybe 1%?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Enid

"Exposed"? LOL.

More like the argument fell flat on it's arse because there's absolutely no getting through to you about anything your religion opposes. Nothing is as ever as black and white as you like to make out.

who is mentioning religion apart from you though?

maybe you are thinking of being born again - ironically for this thread

[Photon]

You linked to a Christian website, so this "debate" has been religiously charged from the start.

[Enid]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

who is mentioning religion apart from you though?

maybe you are thinking of being born again - ironically for this thread

You mentioned religion as soon as you posted that article. If you're gonna post in "Serious Debates" try to leave your faith at the door.

[Photon]

and on that note.



"and jesus came from the field to turn potatoes into crisps and said let there be babies for all, especially in england." John's Crab Shack 1:25

[setanta]

And Setanta said, "let Photon discover the wonder of resizing images because he's fecking blinding me here" Celtic Warrior 2:11

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Photon

You linked to a Christian website, so this "debate" has been religiously charged from the start.

the report could be got from many websites. the host is not part of the story.

[Crimson Dynamo]

notice Jesus is pointing to Enid and Photon and holding up 2 fingers at them


hahahahahah

[Photon]

You referenced more than the report. You included very specific quotes by people with questionable credentials, likely selected by the author of the article for echoing their own beliefs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Photon

You referenced more than the report. You included very specific quotes by people with questionable credentials, likely selected by the author of the article for echoing their own beliefs.

You mean to say that a report online uses people to talk about findings from a report, and....... they may have views one way or the other?


quick operator

get me MAX CLIFFORD, stat

[Enid]

Originally Posted by Photon

You referenced more than the report. You included very specific quotes by people with questionable credentials, likely selected by the author of the article for echoing their own beliefs.

I warned you, and you didn't listen.