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Originally Posted by ElProximo

You just constantly walk into 'fail' and here again is just another 'open-ended insinuation' that makes no sense:

First, we already know that plenty of inspected boats come and go with all kinds of illegal weapons, people, contraband.
THIS IS HOW ITS DONE.
This is why they inspect boats leaving AND ARRIVING because its not unusual they get past the 'leaving' inspections.
IF we used your thinking then we would just stop inspecting arrivals?
Hey.. they were inspected leaving!
Dumb.

The other problem is that you 'seem' to be saying you believe they absolutely knew there were no weapons or terrorists on this boat.
OK.
So it would seem the only explanation left is that you think they were just attacking the people onboard.
really?
You actually think that is what they were doing - just attacking the boats because.. vengeance or something?
Grow up.
You do NOT think that.

Oh.. I have no doubt they boarded because they believed they would arrest a few and find some weapons yes,
but,
obviously they were not just cruising waters looking to 'pirate attack' and obviously they DO NOT want this bad press.

btw.. take a look at the video taken from BOTH sides in this - it becomes a whole helluva lot more obvious:
- They are attacked before they hit the ground and after and actually take TOO LONG before they start shooting.
Its only when two of their guys are being HORRIFICALLY murdered they have no choice but to shoot at the murderers.
Arguably, some take TOO LONG to fire on the murderers.

I think your conspiracy theory is something you don't believe in. You are just saying things you hope gets sympathy and political points for what 'side' you think you should take.
Right?

Nope as I often tell you, its not often you are right but you are Wrong again.

Yes plenty of boats do come and go and pick up illicit cargoes, but not while under satellite surveillance, the Yanks do give live feed satellite data to allies and Israel is a big ally.

The Israelis do not play by the rules as they have shown time and again, they went in to seize the boats and take them to Ashdod where the cargo would have been destroyed.

If you believe the Israelis didnt know the exact contents of the cargo of each of the SIX vessels then you totally underestimate Israeli intelligence.

The Israelis decided to storm the boats outside of territorial waters. knowing they would take some criticism for it, but not giving a damn because they dont care about condemnation, look at the outrages they have committed over the last 20 years.

The troops storming the ships were too slow in approaching by helicopter and too slow rappelling down to the boats that is why an effective defence albeit by primitive weapons in the hands of civilians was able to be enacted.

Losing the initiative of their assault they then had to open fire to regain the initiative. If you take that to mean defend themselves, then fine read that as you will.

Two of their guys being horrifically murdered? Where did you dig that nugget from? The Israeli casualties amounted to seven injured commandos. That is all no dead.

I think you have been watching different videos than the rest of the world seeing as the UN has condemned the operation. The US and UK have also done so. In fact most of the world has except for the Israelis themselves, you and a handful of other misguided people.

As for the fail you say I walked into. Nah just you typing that garbage shows what a fail you are.

Incidentally what you class as a conspiracy theory - the Israelis knowing that the cargos were simply humanitarian aid. I believe totally, I know the US, UK and Israeli intelligence agencies share information. They probably did this time round. I also never underestimate the abilities of Mossad.

Now its time for Uncle Terry to educate you again by way of a little bit of proof.


From the UN's own website:

1 June 2010 – The United Nations Human Rights Council is holding an urgent debate in Geneva today, taking up the issue of yesterday’s Israeli raid on a convoy of ships carrying humanitarian aid and heading for Gaza.
Deputy UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Kyung-wha Kang expressed shock “that humanitarian aid would be met with such violence, and we unequivocally condemn what appears to be a disproportionate use of force.”

She again appealed for an end to the blockade of the Gaza Strip, causing the suffering of 1.5 million Palestinians, which she characterized as “an affront to human dignity.”

Ms. Kang expressed hope that “the Israeli Government will take the necessary decisive actions to demonstrate to the international community a clear commitment to abide by international law.”

Yesterday, the High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay emphasized that “nothing can justify the appalling outcome” of the military operation, which killed at least 10 people and injured dozens of others.

She joined Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, the Security Council and others in calling for a probe into the operation, underscoring the need for accountability.

Ms. Pillay called on the Israeli Government to heed the “almost unanimous international view that the continued blockade of Gaza is both inhumane and illegal.”

The blockade, she pointed out, “lies at the heart of so many of the problems plaguing the Israel-Palestine situation, as does the impression that the Israeli Government treats international law with perpetual disdain.”

Without the blockade, the High Commissioner noted, “there would be no need for flotillas like this.”

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.as...=palestin&Cr1=

Now I really am sorry to remove your rose tinted glasses me old mate but you really need to get your head out of your ass.

The Israeli commandos who stormed the ship did have non lethal weapons and if the operation had been properly organised and led then they might not have needed to use live arms:

Speaking for the first time since the raid, survivors claimed the battle was one-sided with Israeli commandos using stun grenades, sound bombs, teargas, rubber bullets and live rounds.

"It was like war," said Annette Groth, a German politician who was on the Mavi Marmara, the activists' flagship. "They had guns, Taser weapons, some type of teargas and other weaponry, compared to two-and-a-half wooden sticks we had between us. To talk of self-defence is ridiculous."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...israel-inquiry