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Originally Posted by newspresenter

If you knew anything about the game, you'd know that when you're 2-0 up as germany were, and then you lose that lead, England then in this case would've been on the front foot (favourites, as they were before the game), germany would've been in shock mode. Football isn't just about ability.

Upson scored, and did you notice their young keeper, absolutely flapping. We were crap up until we scored, but you miss the point, had it gone 2-2, England would've been in pole-position. We didn't deserve to go out because the officials cost us a 2-2 score-line, England were wrong-done.

Man for man, England are more superior, we have several world class players, more than germany.

I know plenty about football thank you and enough to know that there are two teams that play a football match and you seem to think Germany would just give in, concede, not attack and we win. Simple isn't it.

Germany also have world class players. And if you are going to assume that we would have strolled through had we got that goal then i'm going to assume Argentina would have pasted us to the ****ing wall on Saturday had we gone through.

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by pixee

I know plenty about football thank you and enough to know that there are two teams that play a football match and you seem to think Germany would just give in, concede, not attack and we win. Simple isn't it.

Germany also have world class players.

I don't think that atall, i think England would've been favourites to win at 2-2.

They don't have the same amount of world class players as England have.
Terry, A Cole, Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, also, Johnson is very good, Crouch, Lennon just qualified for Champions league. Barry plays for Man City, they finished 5th. Carragher has won the European cup. James won fa cup.

We have ample ability in the squad, it was simply about organising them enough.

Germany have, Klose, Podolski, Mertersacker, Ozeil, Sweinsteiger, Lahm, all decent, all world class? Lahm definately, Oezil looks it, Sweinsteiger, thats it.

[pixee]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

I don't think that atall, i think England would've been favourites to win at 2-2.

They don't have the same amount of world class players as England have.
Terry, A Cole, Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, also, Johnson is very good, Crouch, Lennon just qualified for Champions league. Barry plays for Man City, they finished 5th. Carragher has won the European cup. James won fa cup.

We have ample ability in the squad, it was simply about organising them enough.

Germany have, Klose, Podolski, Mertersacker, Ozeil, Sweinsteiger, Lahm, all decent, all world class? Lahm definately, Oezil looks it, Sweinsteiger, thats it.

Johnson can't defend. Barry is not a holding midfielder and quite frankly not a good footballer. Carragher is slow and out of form, along with Terry.

I think you are forgetting who these players play with. i.e very good foreign players and in some cases real world class players. Depends how far you want to go with the term world class, if Rooney doesn't perform at world cup is he world class? or does world class mean impressing in the premier league (incidently i do think he is one of the few we have).

I would just say, just because you haven't seen a player doesn't mean he isn't as good as a player you have. Yes lennon and crouch got into champions league, crouch has struggled to get in tottenham team and lennon was injured for half of the season.

And my apoligies i thought you were saying England were a great team.