[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I think with Ben what you see is what you get please or offend,like or hate,With JJ I think his caring for his fellow human beings is false and a front to persuade people he is a 'nice'guy,In real life I would think he is very aggresive,uncaring and attention seeking,the only thing I see he has going for him is his looks,but looks are not enough for some of us,so I think JJs persona is false.With Ben he really doesn't care if people like him or not and he doesn't try to make them.

so it's ok for him to be a selfish prick cos atleast he's not false about it? ew.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

so it's ok for him to be a selfish prick cos atleast he's not false about it? ew.

I am entitalled to my opinion and that is it,and in a word ,Yes.(all said without using expletives)anyone who is false cannot be trusted,MY opinion,ok.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I am entitalled to my opinion and that is it,and in a word ,Yes.(all said without using expletives)anyone who is false cannot be trusted,MY opinion,ok.

I was referring to your opinion on Ben not JJ. You think JJ is false fair enough ( I don't but yes you are entitled to your opinion on it) But what I was commenting on was that you think it's ok for him to be selfish and not care about other people as long as he's not being false about it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I was referring to your opinion on Ben not JJ. You think JJ is false fair enough ( I don't but yes you are entitled to your opinion on it) But what I was commenting on was that you think it's ok for him to be selfish and not care about other people as long as he's not being false about it.

He does care about other people though,I think he should have done the punishment,but it was also good entertainment to see him buck the trend,it's not as though anything was a matter of life or death,BB would never see them truly suffer,Ben knows that and BB is not all about tasks it's about entertainment and imo he has provided that,and although people think he is selfish and uncaring,I would imagine he is a good friend on the outside,don't forget NONE of these people can be really friends yet.It is so nice how he forgives the very people who are trying to bring him down all the time a lesser man would have kicked off at them long before now,so I am sorry if people think my opinion is wrong,but I really like him and have seen nothing to change my mind,yet.As an aside I really did not like him on his arrival.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

He does care about other people though,I think he should have done the punishment,but it was also good entertainment to see him buck the trend,it's not as though anything was a matter of life or death,BB would never see them truly suffer,Ben knows that and BB is not all about tasks it's about entertainment and imo he has provided that,and although people think he is selfish and uncaring,I would imagine he is a good friend on the outside,don't forget NONE of these people can be really friends yet.It is so nice how he forgives the very people who are trying to bring him down all the time a lesser man would have kicked off at them long before now,so I am sorry if people think my opinion is wrong,but I really like him and have seen nothing to change my mind,yet.As an aside I really did not like him on his arrival.

Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion, I wasn't having a go at you, you know, I just disagreed with what you said is all! Peoples opinions on the HMs depend on what personality traits bother them the most anyway, all the HMs have bad ones it just depends on which ones annoy you most I suppose, I personally hate selfishness which is why I've been turned off Ben more than the others

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I am entitalled to my opinion and that is it,and in a word ,Yes.(all said without using expletives)anyone who is false cannot be trusted,MY opinion,ok.

Just noticed you're from Shropshire. Me too-Dawley.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Speedster

Just noticed you're from Shropshire. Me too-Dawley.

LOL,it's a small world I know dawley quite well

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

so it's ok for him to be a selfish prick cos atleast he's not false about it? ew.

The thing, I think, is that the entrenched Ben supporter probably dosent even really think this... and probably were not saying it a while back.

Ben though has, repeatedly, demonstrated his true nature and the fanboi can't explain it away or condone it so they have come up with the 'he's a pr1ck but he is an honest pr1ck' defense stance.

They can no longer defend him morally or as the 'humble sweet honest' guy they used to, yet neither can they admit any flaws on his part because they percieve to do so would be weakness in the face of their 'enemies'.

So we now see this kind of weak defense because it is the only one they really have left :/

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

The thing, I think, is that the entrenched Ben supporter probably dosent even really think this... and probably were not saying it a while back.

Ben though has, repeatedly, demonstrated his true nature and the fanboi can't explain it away or condone it so they have come up with the 'he's a pr1ck but he is an honest pr1ck' defense stance.

They can no longer defend him morally or as the 'humble sweet honest' guy they used to, yet neither can they admit any flaws on his part because they percieve to do so would be weakness in the face of their 'enemies'.

So we now see this kind of weak defense because it is the only one they really have left :/

And as Ange so rightly pointed out he is not honest at all, he lied about tot asking him to take Shabbys hats to cover his arse, again reinforcing my opinion that he's selfish and is only looking out for himself!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

And as Ange so rightly pointed out he is not honest at all, he lied about tot asking him to take Shabbys hats to cover his arse, again reinforcing my opinion that he's selfish and is only looking out for himself!

I agree totally.

The problem is that BB isnt showing these events fully to the HL crowd so a lot of HL only viewers have a massively different view of him. If they had been honestly representing him there is every chance he would be the most hated HM since Nasty Nick.

That blatant self serving lie wasnt even shown being discovered, and thats far from the only one.