[vesavius]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

he's not hiding his selfishness, at least people know where they stand with him. In a way, its quite a nice way to be.. better than being a manipulative character like Corin or Josie, who play at being so nice yet every now and again you see the real character come out.. with Ben you take him or leave him

I will just requote myself here if thats ok? Saves me the time retyping.

Originally Posted by vesavius

The thing, I think, is that the entrenched Ben supporter probably dosent even really think this... and probably were not saying it a while back.

Ben though has, repeatedly, demonstrated his true nature and the fanboi can't explain it away or condone it so they have come up with the 'he's a pr1ck but he is an honest pr1ck' defense stance.

They can no longer defend him morally or as the 'humble sweet honest' guy they used to, yet neither can they admit any flaws on his part because they think to do so would be admitting weakness in the face of their 'enemies', so they have adjusted their argument to this in an effort to represent his selfish fecklesness as a positive (very much the same way he does himself).

So we now see this kind of weak defense because it is the only one they really have left :/

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by Locke.

John: "You're talking complete ****. Corin isn't listening to what you're saying."

Ben: "What are you talking about, this is just between us"

John: "You're just talking ****"

Ben: "You're not invited anyway, you won't go anywhere where they don't speak English."

This was a private conversation between Ben and Corin and he butted in, I remember when he had a go at someone who did the same to him the day he made Rachael cry at the dinner table.

Hypocrite.

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Yeah JJs looking like a bully. Again. Why can't he talk normally with people instead of ranting and being disrespectful? A classic case of somebody oblivious to their own faults whilst daring to judge others.

Ben is just his own person and will stay true to himself no matter what.

He's a bully; he finds people who can't or won't stick up for themselves (usually women it seems) and break them down like he did with Rachael. He won't go too far with men though in case they knock his preety little head off.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Speedster

This was a private conversation between Ben and Corin and he butted in, I remember when he had a go at someone who did the same to him the day he made Rachael cry at the dinner table.

Hypocrite.

everyone is a hypocrite though, I guarantee that everyone who has said at some point "mind your own business" to another person has at one point not minded their own business!

[Fuzzylogic]

Originally Posted by ange7

my point was more about why people like Ben ... not directed at anyone. Donkey vote refers to people who don't take BB that seriously and your not likely to get a reasoned debate out of them as to why Ben is NOT a douche bag hehe.

I feel sorry for anyone who does take BB seriously. I mean I'm loving the show this year, watching all the show, watching the live feed, reading about it on the internet. I'm a big fan, but I am not taking this **** seriously. And that's why I like Ben, it matters not to me what he is like in the 'real world.' In the real world I would find him to be a complete tit and would not want to be friends with someone like him, but the BB house to me is not the real world, it's just a TV show and right now Ben is the most entertaining.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

everyone is a hypocrite though, I guarantee that everyone who has said at some point "mind your own business" to another person has at one point not minded their own business!

i suppose you're right, this BB is certianly the most difficult to judge i think everyone has gone up and down with who they are supporting.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by angus58

At least Ben does have his own UNIQUE style unlike the bleached blond male bimbo who has to impersonate a middle-aged footballer to get any attention.

Middle-aged footballer... OH MY GOD! You mean David Beckham! Shoot me, someone.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

i suppose you're right, this BB is certianly the most difficult to judge i think everyone has gone up and down with who they are supporting.

I actually have in general, yeah. Theres no shame in adjusting who you like based on their behaviour.

Theres a few in there I openly I admit I got wrong when they went in.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

i suppose you're right, this BB is certianly the most difficult to judge i think everyone has gone up and down with who they are supporting.

yeah definitely, that's why, more so than any other year, I can't wait for some new HMs so I have another chance at finding a clear favorite for myself!

[Beastie]

If JJ continues to argue.. we will be stuck with Keeva the bore on Friday....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I actually have in general, yeah. Theres no shame in adjusting who you like based on their behaviour.

Theres a few in there I openly I admit I got wrong when they went in.

Yeah, it's worse to stick with someone just because you started out liking them, I mean they're all strangers to us so its obviously going to take a while to get to know their characters better

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I am entitalled to my opinion and that is it,and in a word ,Yes.(all said without using expletives)anyone who is false cannot be trusted,MY opinion,ok.

Just noticed you're from Shropshire. Me too-Dawley.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Yeah, it's worse to stick with someone just because you started out liking them, I mean they're all strangers to us so its obviously going to take a while to get to know their characters better

I very much agree. I can honestly say that if Joise acted in a way that disgusted me I would just say so and chose a new HM.

The rise and falls are part of what makes it BB

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Speedster

Just noticed you're from Shropshire. Me too-Dawley.

LOL,it's a small world I know dawley quite well

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Fuzzylogic

I feel sorry for anyone who does take BB seriously. I mean I'm loving the show this year, watching all the show, watching the live feed, reading about it on the internet. I'm a big fan, but I am not taking this **** seriously. And that's why I like Ben, it matters not to me what he is like in the 'real world.' In the real world I would find him to be a complete tit and would not want to be friends with someone like him, but the BB house to me is not the real world, it's just a TV show and right now Ben is the most entertaining.

yep your the demographic I was on about. People who know it's all BS and a laugh and think it would be funny if Ben won. All I'm saying is people that argue on points of moral rightness or decency ( and some do here on TIBB ) shouldn't expect a reasoned debate from you .. unless it something you can scream from a moving car :P

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I very much agree. I can honestly say that if Joise acted in a way that disgusted me I would just say so and chose a new HM.

The rise and falls are part of what makes it BB

Josie is it? and I see you're from Bristol too hhmmmm......... only kidding, I quite like her too, and JJ and Corin but I have no clear favorite this year

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Josie is it? and I see you're from Bristol too hhmmmm......... only kidding, I quite like her too, and JJ and Corin but I have no clear favorite this year

haha well, I hated Bea, and I have no love for Justin Lee Collins, if that helps prove anything!

I don't really care where a HM comes from TBH and certainly wouldnt want them to win based on it

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

haha well, I hated Bea, and I have no love for Justin Lee Collins, if that helps prove anything!

I don't really care where a HM comes from TBH and certainly wouldnt want them to win based on it

I know, I know, what's wrong JLC though?, I think he's lovely

[Niamh.]

Bea was from Bristol? what happened to her accent?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I know, I know, what's wrong JLC though?, I think he's lovely

Don't hate him, just don't love him... he is just meh for me

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Bea was from Bristol? what happened to her accent?

She wasnt born here though or anything.

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.

They should put note in travel brochures for Oz "Don't foget to get extra travel insurance incase the locals decide you're a "nancy boy" and decide to kick your head in".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Speedster

They should put note in travel brochures for Oz "Don't foget to get extra travel insurance incase the locals decide you're a "nancy boy" and decide to kick your head in".

now now, don't judge all Australians by one HM!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.

You've never actually been to Australia. Have you.

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

now now, don't judge all Australians by one HM!

I'm sorry I wasn't being intentionally racist, it's just My silly sense of humour. I have a couple of Australian friends, they're both nice guys.

Again, very sorry to sound offensive, I was just messing around.