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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

You are making a lot of assumptions there - implying he has ulterior motives and does not really believe! You don't know that! If such beliefs have helped him and others get off drugs and adopt a new way of life - good luck to them! It may just be a crutch, of course, but his intentions may well be genuine! You are implying that his motives are sinister - and I see no evidence of that! Nothing wrong in not making hasty judgements and giving the guy a chance!

No.

I am saying I hate the paraphenalia the New Ecstatics dress their faith up in. It is designed and chosen very precisely to target an obvious audience.

I am saying every cult deserves to be questioned honestly and fairly based on a recorded history of them ending up as exploitative and destructive organisations that prey on the vulnerable, especially one that uses certain terminology to appeal to a specific audience.

I am saying in trying to stop people 'ridiculing' him you are attempting to shut down their right to free speech.

I am saying they have absolutely no right to automatically extended 'respect'. They need to earn that by actually doing good for their community and showing us their intentions and motivations are decent and pure over time.



I hate their core message of 'don't think, don't question, do nothing, just get drunk'.


My doubt of him is just decreased by the videos I have seen by him... I see none of that man in the house, so which one of him is real? The BB version? The 'drunk' 'mystic'? Neither?