[Angus]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Spin? LMAO The way you defend Ben to the hilt is hilarious . Even when he pathetically wouldn't give JJ his own shirt back. It was JJ's own shirt that Ben had borrowed. How could Ben have been right to take someone else property and then refuse to give it back?

JJ may not have put it eloquently but he was absolutely right in his assessment of Ben. Ben needs this much more than any HM this year and probably any in the history of the show. Ben will make the final, he'll probably win and his supporter will have been well and truly conned.

Now that's what I call the ultimate game show winner, and there was JJ thinking it was him

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Jords

We couldnt give a ****** about him too.

[Patricia4]

Send the bugger back

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Spin? LMAO The way you defend Ben to the hilt is hilarious . Even when he pathetically wouldn't give JJ his own shirt back. It was JJ's own shirt that Ben had borrowed. How could Ben have been right to take someone else property and then refuse to give it back?

JJ may not have put it eloquently but he was absolutely right in his assessment of Ben. Ben needs this much more than any HM this year and probably any in the history of the show. Ben will make the final, he'll probably win and his supporter will have been well and truly conned.

Exactly, how people support ben is truly shocking he is one of the most selfish housemates that has ever been in that house.

Originally Posted by angus58

I doubt any of them gives a ***** about the public, but unless you're terminally thick you don't go off on a rant about how you don't give a ***** about the people who pay money to vote for you. And No, they're there to entertain US, not to enjoy their bloody selves at our expense.

That is what pretty much every housemate says they are there for so i hardly see why it is a problem for you.

Originally Posted by angus58

Now that's what I call the ultimate game show winner, and there was JJ thinking it was him

How could be be the ultimate game show winner? Because he is selfish?

If people think that his selfish and condescending attitude is 'quirky' then i have lost alot of respect for the english public. Ben has the cheek to imply when he is being selfish that it is a choice anyone should have.?! WHAT? how is that right , or nice, or something someone should be liked for. If someone took one of my shirts without asking i would demand it back because they took it without my permission (and bare in mind ben said he would wash it, i highly doubt that happened, i have never seen ben do any work the house -- ever!). Why should he have JJs shirt just because he is Ben. It isn't fair. Ben's lifestyle is obviously one where he gets everything he wants from everyone else around him, and how people can like that is incredible.

[ange7]

another bs thread.
"**** the public" works for me. I don't want hms that suck up to the cameras and who are false and full of it. This crazy idea that because "we" pay them so they ought to kiss our @sses and act fake is a joke. If you want that then support Corin.

[erichardse10]

I think JJ has blown it somehow, truth be told I don't think he ever really stood a chance of winning, he is to unpredictable and tempremental!

[joeysteele]

The rules of BB always were that since this was a publicly shown series any language or behaviour that was deemed to be offensive to other housemates and/or to the viewing public would be considered inappropriate and would be dealt with as a serious matter by BB.
1) John James has already had a warning from BB as to his technical assault on Sunshine and the pool incident,he has not altered his ways at all still.
2) He deems Ben selfish for Ben caring what the public thinks and even trusting the public,the public will be paying for the prize money that if,God forbid, John James won he would walk off with,who does he thinks votes for or against the housemates and does he think they do it for free at no cost to themselves? JJ says he is there for himself to enjoy himself.
That is the most selfish thing anyone has ever said on BB and so if he is enjoying himself then he does enjoy causing trouble and creating arguments because he has had more of them in the first 5 weeks of any BB.
3) Never in the history of BB have I heard in any context a housemate rant so many times the massive disrespect JJ showed towards the public the other night,added to that the fact he used foul language to yell out, 'I dont give a f.. about the public', and again and again, 'f... the public', is in my opinion totally inappropriate behaviour.
He has shown his real colours and they are the darkest shaedes of black you can get but in the past housemates have been told to leave BB for far less and I hope all viewers offended by these foul remarks and massive insults to THEM, make the appropriate complaint to BB and Channel 4 too. I have already because for this alone and the fact he has already had a warning before for inappropriate behaviour to a housemate that was deemed to likely cause offence, now he is not only turning on the housemates,some selective ones he thinks he will get away with it to,but he has also turned his venom on the viewing public too,he is put in the BB house in a competition to see who wins the most support from the viewers to make them the winner,if that is not what he thinks it is all about then he should not be in there and after his vile rant against Ben and also towards the public too,I really think in light of already having had a warning, BB and Channel 4 should put him at least on ONE more argument disruption in the house warning and he will have to leave.
Myself if I was in charge whether I liked him or not, for his foul language rant against the viewing public I would be telling him to leave now,no more warnings.
He is a totally disrespectful and vile person, he also has shown that since he is in there for hinsefl only that in fact he is the real selfish person in the whole house and the only one who thinks the public have no meaning to the series whatsoever, what on earth does this arrogant nasty minded, vicious person think going up for the public vote is all about,is he totally stupid as well as being the likely most nasty housemate ever.
If he was not in any way good looking, he would be hated by near all the viewing public, John James certainly proves the saying, beauty is only skin deep,because he is not just rotten to the core, he is rotten FROM the core.

[joeysteele]

ange7,Really come on, he is really giving Australians a bad name over here if you admire that then I am sorry for you and your Country,What a visitor to the UK on a publicly interactive and publicly paid for series by them paying to text, call and contribute to the show,should do, is at least repesct that public whose living rooms he is going into every day.
To then say in ANY context f... those people, he doesnt give a f.. for those people is totally out of order and extremely insulting behaviour which begs the point why is he even on it then, would the Australian one not have him on theirs likely because they knew what he was like.Be fair if this was a British guy in Australia saying f... the Aussie public etc, you would be up in arms, he is a vile man and a very nasty tempered,disrespectful and selfish one too with a very foul mouth. OR pray not that this is so but do all Australians act like him???

[ange7]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

ange7,Really come on, he is really giving Australians a bad name over here if you admire that then I am sorry for you and your Country,What a visitor to the UK on a publicly interactive and publicly paid for series by them paying to text, call and contribute to the show,should do, is at least repesct that public whose living rooms he is going into every day.
To then say in ANY context f... those people, he doesnt give a f.. for those people is totally out of order and extremely insulting behaviour which begs the point why is he even on it then, would the Australian one not have him on theirs likely because they knew what he was like.Be fair if this was a British guy in Australia saying f... the Aussie public etc, you would be up in arms, he is a vile man and a very nasty tempered,disrespectful and selfish one too with a very foul mouth. OR pray not that this is so but do all Australians act like him???

You went to some trouble to type this up so your owed a response.
I don't think he's giving Australia a bad name and frankly why would I care? hehe. If he was British and in BB AU and said the same there would be zero response because here in OZ we want hms to be themselves and NOT play to the cameras. You want him to suck up to the audience and be false that's your problem but it will and has resulted in rubbish hms getting in them boring us to death.

He isn't bad tempered. He lost it once with Rach because she openly talked about how she'd love to do the zoo and nutz mags plus she was FULLY into herself. If you like that sort of thing fine but JJ said what he thought.
Bad tempered with Corin? Nah...She started it with "I'm getting angry now!"... he laughed and continued with "are you lovin it". She followed him into the bedroom and lost her mind ( temper?) while he laughed in her face. Clearly Corin was trying to start one with JJ to make JJ look bad so as to save Nathan. Fail.
Bad tempered with SS?. Nah.. he didn't tell her off nor yell...SS went over the top their too.
Bad tempered with Josie? She has digs at him ALL the time behind his back and when Keeley asks "hey Josie make me laugh". Josie starts doing JJ impressions. Later he says "why did you have to say that... how about if I called you 98 chins?". That's the worst he got but Josie turns that into "oh you don't know all the horrible things he said!!!". BS
A lot of BS cliches come out of the mouths of Josie and Ben about JJ and are mindlessly parroted here on tib. Ben "oh he's very argumentative!". JJ while wearing a wig "oh I've got no circulation going to my head". Ben "oh well you've got no brain cells so that wouldn't do any harm!". Ben "Why is it that he keeps picking on me?" It's amazing that he keeps his cool when he gets trolled like that.

[stoney]

of course Mr gameplayer cares what the public think.

thats why he left his trousers on over his cougar pants and his constant anger at "your making me look bad on telly" at his weekly target.

he reminds us far too often that he doesn't care for it to be true

[joeysteele]

You make me massively glad that I am British ange7 and not Australian and from your rather odd comments I have to say I can see why you like John James so much.
Housemates have to show their true selves, Ben gets pilloried for doing just that,but if you are really telling us that is JJ showing his real self then its a wonder any British person likes him at all,what an odd country Australia must be to encourage such disrespect, lack of decency,such vile tempered personality and a filthy mouth to go with it as to language,I am really glad I don't live there.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You make me massively glad that I am British ange7 and not Australian and from your rather odd comments I have to say I can see why you like John James so much.
Housemates have to show their true selves, Ben gets pilloried for doing just that,but if you are really telling us that is JJ showing his real self then its a wonder any British person likes him at all,what an odd country Australia must be to encourage such disrespect, lack of decency,such vile tempered personality and a filthy mouth to go with it as to language,I am really glad I don't live there.

"odd comments" which you side stepped. Bring an argument that backs your view.... parotting cliches doesn't cut it nor does "I am really glad I don't live there." This sounds desperate and trolly.... and your personal stance on whether you'd like to come to oz or not isn't that interesting.

[-Sue-]

A small part of what was said in the bedroom so what was said can be put in the right context
(Ben & Andy & Keeley in bedroom bitching/moaning about JJ)
ben ' this is a bit wierd for me as i dont really understand what this is all about'
keeley 'its all good benjamin'
ben 'johns going to be a total for the whole weekend he is you can see in the bloody hut thats why i called him unemployed
cos he was having a go at me constantly and im not gonna put up with it'
andy ' do you think he likes you'
ben 'yeah he does like me but he uses me im the only person that really stands up to him anyway'
andy 'I know how you feel keep you chin up you it will be alright'
(john wanders over to where Ben & keeley, & andy are in the bedroom)
ben ' you love this john dont you'
JJ ' the fact that ive got no circulation going into my head no not really'
ben ' you havent got my braincells so that wouldnt do any harm'
ben 'you love the fact that your taking the cronic out of me'
jj 'but benjamin you ask for insults cos you rip them outyou rip out worst insults than what I could ever imagine'
ben ' well thats because ive got more of an imagination..'
JJ ' no its because your ruder'
ben 'im..'
Jj' its not about imagination its just things that I would never dream of saying'
jj ' i dont care.. i dont care about the money i dont care about being on this show i dont care about being unemployedi dont care about those sort of things that you care about'
ben ' i dont care about those things either'
jj ' why did you bring it up?'
ben ' cos you are having a constant go at me and you always do'
jj ' i have to dress like you ben'
ben ' well why is that my fault, i cant explain it you would never understand but you are aggressive towards me and i dont know why'
jj ' you continue to tell me that im stupid that i have no braicells that im thick and now you've just had a pop at
the point taht im unemployed and you had a pop at my family and you hada pop at them whilst i was here and at what i eat
you had a pop at my dietry requirements
ben 'but thats because you dont leave me alone though john#
jj ' but for no reason you pop out these insults after insult after insult for no reason benny and you can't see it'
ben 'but let the public decide on that one'
jj ' the public what public what public what are you talking about ben'
(rachel speaks up trying to make peace between them both)
ben ' no no its nothing but what is...'
jj ' what do you mean let the public decide
jj' nonononono you keep bringing in the public what has the public im sick of you talking about the public I dont care about
the public i dont care about the program its not about the program maybe it is to some of yous but its not about the programme
to me'
rachel 'stop stop stop stop'
jj ' so if you wanna go out there and get your little job in america cos you wanna fake who you are as a person inside here thats your
problem but I dont wanna do that if you bring up about the public one time again i will never ever speak to you as long as I live
jj ' im not on this show for the public or for you or to make ayone else happy i am on the show for enjoyment for myself
not to make the public happy if thats constantly going through your mind which it is as you constantly bring it up
(piss take oice lol) huh.. let the public decide let the public decide
(video cuts to kitchen)
keeley ' ben is trying to reach out to john & john cannot see that'
(back to bedroom)
jj ' ben we have got a massive clash when it comes to team work either you avoid it because i know the way you are but I have got a massive problem with it massive problem..i cant stand it'
ben ' but I no not never like apart from when we have banta and i do maybe say things i shouldnt say but i ever go after you though that is true i never ever go after you'
jj ' the things that i do do not effect the group as far..'
ben (interrupts) ...'but they do'
jj ' as far as eating and showering'
ben (interrupts)..'eating and showering but your anger you change the atmostphere of the whole place like that (clicks fingers) and i
dont have a go at you over that ever'
jj ' i dont give a a flying fffffff what you do for the people outside the house i dont care i care about what youd o for people inside the house right here concerns me'
keeva 'if JJ is gonna say something ignore it laugh about it laugh it off dont be so sensitive abou it i know its difficult'
ben (interupts) ' but he would be sensitive if i needled him all the time and you know he would.. if I constantly followed him...

JJ ' i would just say it to yer face yeah'

[ange7]

Thanks FireTwilight ... just what the doctor ordered. Some facts :P
"keeley ' ben is trying to reach out to john & john cannot see that'
(back to bedroom)"
mahahahah!!!
ben (interrupts)..'but your anger you change the atmosphere of the whole place..."
lol really. Ben starts it off. Ben bitches about JJ all over the shop but because he starts his bitching with "oh a adore JJ but...." ten people think HE is not bring the atmosphere down. Ben has a go because he knows JJ will take the bait. JJ isn't going to take Ben's rudeness despite it giving Ben the opportunity to act like he himself is the victim.

[joeysteele]

I can see why you and JJ would get on like ahouse on fire ange7, its true a lot of what you say but JJ si very devious, he breaks people down by going on and on and on with the same thing until he gets them to carck and say something that annoys him then he goes in like a ferret down a rabbit hole to escalate the unpleasantness, bring the mood of the house down and cause maximum disruption.His anger is a dangerous one because he clouds it with a grin,a sracastic menacing grin.
I could have answered all your odder comments too but earlier in the series he told Josie she had a massive bottom.He loves to reel out the insults but its all to get the response he needs to start up a massive argument.
I will not waste my time on you any more,like JJ you cannot be reasoned with but I can see totally how you like him,you are as bad. NO compromise no real facts just a selective sequence of events.Even when faced with the f... the public issue,UNBELIEVABLE.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by ange7

Thanks FireTwilight ... just what the doctor ordered. Some facts :P
"keeley ' ben is trying to reach out to john & john cannot see that'
(back to bedroom)"
mahahahah!!!
ben (interrupts)..'but your anger you change the atmosphere of the whole place..."
lol really. Ben starts it off. Ben bitches about JJ all over the shop but because he starts his bitching with "oh a adore JJ but...." ten people think HE is not bring the atmosphere down. Ben has a go because he knows JJ will take the bait. JJ isn't going to take Ben's rudeness despite it giving Ben the opportunity to act like he himself is the victim.

LOL i was sick of the Jj said this j said that threads so I sat through the HL show a few times and typed as much of it as I could lol
yeah the keeley comment ..grrrrrr

ahh yes Ben acted the victim the whole time..all about him.. no apology for Bens comments about JJ.. nothing nadda zip..spineless Barsteward if you ask me... I can't say Im a major fan of JJ but as a person I think he is great

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can see why you and JJ would get on like ahouse on fire ange7, its true a lot of what you say but JJ si very devious, he breaks people down by going on and on and on with the same thing until he gets them to carck and say something that annoys him then he goes in like a ferret down a rabbit hole to escalate the unpleasantness, bring the mood of the house down and cause maximum disruption.His anger is a dangerous one because he clouds it with a grin,a sracastic menacing grin.
I could have answered all your odder comments too but earlier in the series he told Josie she had a massive bottom.He loves to reel out the insults but its all to get the response he needs to start up a massive argument.
I will not waste my time on you any more,like JJ you cannot be reasoned with but I can see totally how you like him,you are as bad. NO compromise no real facts just a selective sequence of events.Even when faced with the f... the public issue,UNBELIEVABLE.

JJ didnt go on and on he said what he had to Directly to Ben he didnt do what Ben does and bitch behind his back.. then play the pity me card when confronted...

Any arguement / fallout brings down the house mood but when things need o be said they should be said.. Ben could learn a lot from JJ .. eg. when someone is annoying him talk to them about it not to everyone else BUT them...

LOl how can my post not be reasoned with that was nearly exactly (give or take the odd comment that was unheard on the HL show or odd comment from people not including Ben & JJ) all that was said from the HL show?? lol surely typing was was actually said between the HMs is very factual lol.. doh! How about I post the link to the 4OD show so you can sit there and type out what was said too ..

even when faced with what was actually said Ben can do no wrong can he lol..doh!

[joeysteele]

firetwilight conveniently leaves out the I dont give a f ... for the public, f... the public.
How strange to do that,the most interesting comment in it is Keeley saying that Ben is actually reaching out to John James but JJ cant see it.
EXACTLY thats how JJ gets in to so much bother,is his problem that he is terrified of ever being really close to anyone???
Also firetwilight includes that JJ doesnt care about the show, well then leave JJ.He 's sat in the diary room at least twice now saying he wanted to leave, the big drama when BB ahd to bring Josie in the diary room, he was going then like JEKYLL AND HYDE he got okay again, IF he doesnt care about the show, doesnt care about the public and is sick of not just Ben beacuse he has argued with over half the house,also its stated he said he didnt care about the money, then for goodness sake WHAT is he evem on the show for, why has he come all those miles to be on it,.If all thats true,LEAVE or for goodness sake BB send him out and end his misery once and for all.
What a pathetic excuse for a man he is!!!!!!!!!!!

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

firetwilight conveniently leaves out the I dont give a f ... for the public, f... the public.
How strange to do that,the most interesting comment in it is Keeley saying that Ben is actually reaching out to John James but JJ cant see it.
EXACTLY thats how JJ gets in to so much bother,is his problem that he is terrified of ever being really close to anyone???
Also firetwilight includes that JJ doesnt care about the show, well then leave JJ.He 's sat in the diary room at least twice now saying he wanted to leave, the big drama when BB ahd to bring Josie in the diary room, he was going then like JEKYLL AND HYDE he got okay again, IF he doesnt care about the show, doesnt care about the public and is sick of not just Ben beacuse he has argued with over half the house,also its stated he said he didnt care about the money, then for goodness sake WHAT is he evem on the show for, why has he come all those miles to be on it,.If all thats true,LEAVE or for goodness sake BB send him out and end his misery once and for all.
What a pathetic excuse for a man he is!!!!!!!!!!!

whaaaat you grizzling about now? the arguement went on for almost an hour an a half if not longer that was the start of what was on the HL show.. Im not typing it all I quoted what I needed to in regards to putting some persective as to why JJ said that.

Ben brings up the public JJ explained why he was mad at Ben making that comment.. what was needed in this thread was the 2nd side the story.. how it all kicked off...and why he said what he did.. rather than just everyone thinking that JJ hates the public..

when Jj said about the show (not caring) what he means he is in the house to have fun he wont play up or be someone he is not just for the show/ viewing public

Ben has said he wanted to leave also.. most of the HMs have lol

Your very angry arent you lol its a show relax..

[joeysteele]

Your post omitted some very offensive and important comments and the foul languaged way he put them as to the viewing public firetwilight .that is why your selective account of the events does not stand up totally.
The point is this is an argument with BEN, and you highlight that because you dont like Ben but JJ has argued with lots of housemates,mainly the female ones, he really wants a massive argument with Josie but she knows when to say her piece and then closes the door, he hasnt yet worked out the new housemates but if he stays in arguments will come with them too. He wont with Mario, Steve or Dave because they would slap him down like a fly.
You can highlight the argument with Ben all you like but its not his first major argument and perhaps he needs to be looked at on all the arguments he has said, one resulting in a warning for inappropriate behaviour by BB.
As I also said earlier never in any BB series have I heard any housemate make such a verbal attack on the viewing public,never, I hope BB do take him to task for it because in truth he is the real NON TEAM PLAYER in that house
The public do ultimately overall decide who stays and goes,they also decide with their money and time who wins the show and gets a prize of money too,if he doesn't care about them then get out and go home,simple as that but JJ supporters cammot grasp that reasoning,he does not have to be in there if he doesnt really care,and if he does really care then who does that make the real game player.

[stoney]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

JJ didnt go on and on he said what he had to Directly to Ben he didnt do what Ben does and bitch behind his back.. then play the pity me card when confronted...

Any arguement / fallout brings down the house mood but when things need o be said they should be said.. Ben could learn a lot from JJ .. eg. when someone is annoying him talk to them about it not to everyone else BUT them...

LOl how can my post not be reasoned with that was nearly exactly (give or take the odd comment that was unheard on the HL show or odd comment from people not including Ben & JJ) all that was said from the HL show?? lol surely typing was was actually said between the HMs is very factual lol.. doh! How about I post the link to the 4OD show so you can sit there and type out what was said too ..

even when faced with what was actually said Ben can do no wrong can he lol..doh!

lol...what you forgot to add is that the "argument" lasted over an hour and JJ just repeated the same "points" again and again and again and again and again and again at various different levels of aggression and hate, especially his feck the public cr@p
JJ was not talking to Ben he was ranting towards him and telling us, the GBP who he really doesnt care about (my @rse), why he was the better man in his opinion than ben. He was not willing to let ben speak a lot of the time and simply ranted over him

[Saph]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

all of them are in there for themselves, thats the reason they go in

whether for the BB experience, to try and win for the money or for fame when they leave

I like the fact that JJ had the balls to say it and say it over and over.

sounds like a bad excuse to like him

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Your post omitted some very offensive and important comments and the foul languaged way he put them as to the viewing public firetwilight .that is why your selective account of the events does not stand up totally.
The point is this is an argument with BEN, and you highlight that because you dont like Ben but JJ has argued with lots of housemates,mainly the female ones, he really wants a massive argument with Josie but she knows when to say her piece and then closes the door, he hasnt yet worked out the new housemates but if he stays in arguments will come with them too. He wont with Mario, Steve or Dave because they would slap him down like a fly.
You can highlight the argument with Ben all you like but its not his first major argument and perhaps he needs to be looked at on all the arguments he has said, one resulting in a warning for inappropriate behaviour by BB.
As I also said earlier never in any BB series have I heard any housemate make such a verbal attack on the viewing public,never, I hope BB do take him to task for it because in truth he is the real NON TEAM PLAYER in that house
The public do ultimately overall decide who stays and goes,they also decide with their money and time who wins the show and gets a prize of money too,if he doesn't care about them then get out and go home,simple as that but JJ supporters cammot grasp that reasoning,he does not have to be in there if he doesnt really care,and if he does really care then who does that make the real game player.

Feel free to continue typing all of the final parts of Bens & JJs fight (taken from THE HL SHOW..remember we all have access to 4OD to hear it...

I don't think I need to repeat myself again...I clarified why I posted the above text from the show not my fault if you didnt bother to read my comments as to why I posted it

This has nothing to do with other arguements.. this is about the thread topic thats all ..please stay on topic..Im well aware of what you said earlier about in no other BB series.. lol trust me there has been so much worse in past years lol...I saw no point in rising to the bait on that one lol

[stoney]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

when Jj said about the show (not caring) what he means he is in the house to have fun he wont play up or be someone he is not just for the show/ viewing public


Your very angry arent you lol its a show relax..

but that is one of JJ's most hypocritical moments. Its ok for him to be himself in the house but if ben doesn't change JJ is going to , cant remember exactly what he said but it was something along the lines of attacking him over it whenever he wanted to (I know he means verbally tho)

but JJ only wants fun that he wants and brings all the rest down with his nasty aggression, selfishness and arguments

EDIT it all kicked off because JJ was annoyed that benny boy was centre story and not him. His face was tripping him from the moment Ben went to the diary room until he manage to get his rant in and start the fight over something he had LAUGHED about with ben uand the rest in the snug ( the unemployed jibe altho ben , like us knows that JJ aint unemployed( JJ actually said he wastoo rich to be or something in direct response at the time in the snug) he is living off daddies inheritance

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by stoney

lol...what you forgot to add is that the "argument" lasted over an hour and JJ just repeated the same "points" again and again and again and again and again and again at various different levels of aggression and hate, especially his feck the public cr@p
JJ was not talking to Ben he was ranting towards him and telling us, the GBP who he really doesnt care about (my @rse), why he was the better man in his opinion than ben. He was not willing to let ben speak a lot of the time and simply ranted over him

see post 44# I did say how long it went on for lol
Ben spoke.. looked away did his hair.. make no attempt to apologise or listen just kept the pity me 'why's everybody always picking on me' act up.. pathetic...

JJ the next day apologised and Ben.. continued to bitch about JJ for most of the day instead of talking things out with him.

TBH Jj is the better man he said to the face of the person he had a problem with told it like it is.. (Ben's way he would just Bitch in the nest bedroom seating area..garden for the rest of the show.. good roll model lol NOT lol) things got heated and JJ realised that and apologised.