[Claymores]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

I strongly believe that the producers are focusing on more of a negative storyline or side to his personality. Do you agree or disagree? Do you think over the course of the series Dave has received a fair, good or bad edit on the HL show?

I believe he receives he receives a neutral edit on the whole. If the more negative aspects of his personality are coming through, that simply relfects that he behaves in a somewhat unsavoury any hypocritical manner on many occasions - for Dave, his views on how others should be acting is "do as I say, not as I do".

I also feel he benefits greatly from the fact that it is impossible to condense or portray (within a 1 hour HL show) the many hours of real-time character assasinations him and Ben partake of (particularly when together in the Nest)

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

how does he make a living then??? last time i checked being drunk on the lord doesn't pay the bills

He lives in a big house where he does his "preaching "(not a church in sight) ,and sends his children to private school ,all without a job ? theres money in being a charlatan isnt there ?

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by Claymores

I believe he receives he receives a neutral edit on the whole. If the more negative aspects of his personality are coming through, that simply relfects that he behaves in a somewhat unsavoury any hypocritical manner on many occasions - for Dave, his views on how others should be acting is "do as I say, not as I do".

I also feel he benefits greatly from the fact that it is impossible to condense or portray (within a 1 hour HL show) the many hours of real-time character assasinations him and Ben partake of (particularly when together in the Nest)

Thanks for responding and not filling your post with a hate filed diatribe (as many others have). I'll give you a couple of points as to why i believe he's NOT getting a neutral edit. First was kind of discussed toward the start of the thread, they seem to have been running with some kind of negative pervert "storyline" theme with him and Andrew in the last few days. NOW...BB supplied them with "pampering" products twice, he's just participating and having fun with it. Did we see the others putting on the pampering products? If you watch the live feed for a significant amount of time you will see every day, at least a few times he will have other HMs or the whole group in fits of laughter from his joking around. That is NOT a biased observation, but simply a FACT. Yet his funny moments rarely make it on the HL show. BUT, they're happy to show some religious "tokenism" where Ben asks him to say grace at dinner or something...

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

Thanks for responding and not filling your post with a hate filed diatribe (as many others have). I'll give you a couple of points as to why i believe he's NOT getting a neutral edit. First was kind of discussed toward the start of the thread, they seem to have been running with some kind of negative pervert "storyline" theme with him and Andrew in the last few days. NOW...BB supplied them with "pampering" products twice, he's just participating and having fun with it. Did we see the others putting on the pampering products? If you watch the live feed for a significant amount of time you will see every day, at least a few times he will have other HMs or the whole group in fits of laughter from his joking around. That is NOT a biased observation, but simply a FACT. Yet his funny moments rarely make it on the HL show.

Sorry - I didn't regard the 'pampering' product scenes as being particularly down on Dave as opposed to something to do to pass the time with others participating.

I felt his hypocritical side was fairly well portrayed by the fact he roundly slated Caiomhe for offending his sensibilities through public indecency one night, then happily dropped his drawers in the bedroom (with Josie and who knows who else present) 2 nights later. "One Rule for You, One Rule for Me" it seems.

I'd suspected you might be rounding on the producers for showing his antics 'when dunk on the Lord'. As Dave seriously believes in this, I would be sure Dave himself would have no objections to these behaviours being portrayed on the HL.

[chuff me dizzy]

Rachel has just asked him how he pays his rent ,he changed the question !!

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

I've been watching the BB streams for the last couple of weeks, and Dave is the life and soul of that place. He's a genuinely warm and good-hearted guy, having lots of harmless fun...keeping everyone entertained. Then when they assemble the HL shows they're desperately attempting to paint him in a bad light at any given scenario!

C'mon BB Producers, you're a fcking DISGRACE you should be ashamed of yourselves!!!

Well he deserves it. He made such a scene about Caoimhe ( such an easy target) about her wet shirt but it was alright for him to be showing himself to the cameras. This is 2 days running now. Do we want to see him naked NO. What is the difference between him and Caoimhe, he was naked and Caoimhe was unaware that the wet shirt had shown her body. She was running around not posing in front of the cameras. He was.

His actions were for show and Caoimhe's were accidental.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Sorry - I didn't regard the 'pampering' product scenes as being particularly down on Dave as opposed to something to do to pass the time with others participating.

I'd beg to differ with you there given many of the comments i've seen on the OS and forums.

Originally Posted by Claymores

I felt his hypocritical side was fairly well portrayed by the fact he roundly slated Caiomhe for offending his sensibilities through public indecency one night, then happily dropped his drawers in the bedroom (with Josie and who knows who else present) 2 nights later. "One Rule for You, One Rule for Me" it seems.

We could argue the toss about this till the cows come home...as many have already. I don't know if he was aware if Josie was there, who knows. They live in communal bedroom, i'm sure they're getting changed all the time. Would Josie have been "shocked" if JJ was getting changed and saw his bum cheeks? ...seems she's being quite prudish and i don't see many comments in that regard.

Originally Posted by Claymores

I'd suspected you might be rounding on the producers for showing his antics 'when dunk on the Lord'. As Dave seriously believes in this, I would be sure Dave himself would have no objections to these behaviours being portrayed on the HL.

No, i'm just talking about the many funny comments he makes daily. Do you watch the LF? if so, you will be aware. It's fine that you or anyone else may not like the guy or his humour. Each their own. But you CANNOT deny he makes the other HMs laugh, and on a regular basis. As mentioned, that is a FACT...as i'm sure you'd agree.

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

That surprised me as well and seemed very inappropriate. The OP is right and I got the sense they 'bent the rule' in some lame attempt to show David being a 'hypocriiiiiiite' for the type of viewers who crave it?

Notice my banner is showing an increasingly unlikely prediction. C4 is not beat yet though.. and David is not finished yet,
but,
so far, the idea of using David as a 'shame the church' icon has failed or even 'backfired' on them.

But yeah.. they are trying hard to paint him in the worst light and just forcing any 'hypocrite' scenario to the point it does come off as desperate.

Perhaps they have seen the video of him posted on these forums and feel they gave him a place without knowing his background.
The fact that they chose a man who pretended to need a wheel chair and put him in a house with a man who is a double amputee makes them look rather stupid.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by boomoo

Perhaps they have seen the video of him posted on these forums and feel they gave him a place without knowing his background.
The fact that they chose a man who pretended to need a wheel chair and put him in a house with a man who is a double amputee makes them look rather stupid.

Oh no.. they absolutely knew who Dave was and found him through the you tube and those very videos we were all looking at. They knew all about him for over a year now.

The 'problem' is that they didn't seem to factor in that David (as cult's go) needs his other cult members around to work themselves into states. Not always but it helps a lot.
One thing they might do is allow him more than 1 hour with his Bible and several hours to work himself into trance/ecstatic states?

[Peter Plunker]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He lives in a big house where he does his "preaching "(not a church in sight) ,and sends his children to private school ,all without a job ? theres money in being a charlatan isnt there ?

He doesn't live in a big house, it's an ex council house fgs, also his kids DO NOT go to private schools. I would post the names of them but that wouldn't be fair on his kids.

I don't know where you get these lies from.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

He doesn't live in a big house, it's an ex council house fgs, also his kids DO NOT go to private schools. I would post the names of them but that wouldn't be fair on his kids.

I don't know where you get these lies from.

All from his mouth,so not only is he a Charlatan he is also a lier ? ,and i see you didnt say that he is part of NO CHURCH he runs his conning business from home is wrong did you ?

[Peter Plunker]

Dave works from home, wow busted, what a scumbag. He said he would like his kids to go to a private school, who wouldn't if they had the money? As it stands, they don't.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I wasn't exaggerating her nudity but it's not about what I think but how David took things,
and,
again all you are doing is 'announcing' that we had:
- Chamomile naked (partially.. the way you describe it is much sexier) in the room in front of men.
- Mario streaking past women.

These are (and in Davids mind) two different things with two different consequences and hence he was not being a 'hypocrite' as he acted consistently with his belief system.

YOU are the one who demands others go by your belief system that there is 'no difference'.
I don't think you even believe there is 'no difference' but so you claim.



About 90+% are from the UK and most others are immigrants or temporary students/workers etc.



No.
The vast majority of living human beings see a difference between men (especially if deprived of sex for some time) in a bathroom having a scantily clad babe,
versus,
women part of a crowd seeing a male streaker.

The most annoying thing is that I have to play along with your 'dumb act' when obviously you know that in our society that is definitely considered two different things with different effects, consequences, physiological responses, emotions etc.

Keep in mind - the HM's whom David complained to were nearly unanimously nodding and responding in agreement.
So you need to call them 'hypocrites' and 'double-standard misogynists' too,
or,
do you just apply it to David but not to Ben or Steve or Josie or whoever else AGREED with him?
Remember.. don't be a double-standard hypocrite!

You were exaggerating her nudity. You said she was naked, she wasn't.

You seem to want me to make allowances for Dave having double standards due to his religious beliefs but Dave doesn't need to make allowances for Caoimhe being soaked by Josie and for being pissed.

Also what is this notion that men can't control their sexual urges and because of that women must behave like chaste women so as not to tempt the man? Whether they are deprived of sex or not. If this was a problem then nudist colonies and beaches would be full of male rapists and female rape victims. The male nudists can control themselves around the naked women. Temptation is everywhere for them. Is it just religious folk that find it hard to control their urges?

The housemates may have nodded their heads in agreement but you can't tell me in all honesty that they really agreed. By that time Caoimhe had become the house target. No one was going to stick up for her for fear of becoming target number two. So i don't need to call the nodding dogs hypocrites or misogynists as i believe they wouldn't normally give a sh!t as it happens all the time on this show and no one ever complains about it.
Dave also has the added element of nominating women every week apart from once, Govan. So that doesn't really help his cause either.

I think i've covered your points but i've been out and slightly merry.

Oh and the 'dumb act' comment doesn't make it any less of an insult wrapped in punctuation marks. Lets stick to the housemates yeah.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by MrWong

You seem to want me to make allowances for Dave having double standards due to his religious beliefs but Dave doesn't need to make allowances for Caoimhe being soaked by Josie and for being pissed.

I would ask you to return to this post tomorrow morning and try and decide just what exactly you think you were aiming to communicate.
Maybe you will be able to 'step-by-step' through it making some kind of 'positive statement' sort of way.
Thx

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I would ask you to return to this post tomorrow morning and try and decide just what exactly you think you were aiming to communicate.
Maybe you will be able to 'step-by-step' through it making some kind of 'positive statement' sort of way.
Thx

What happens if i don't?

I'm not sure i can take your totally irrelevant psychological profiling that you attempted on another fm based on very little at all. Even convincing yourself that you were just about spot on in your summary. It looked incredibly arrogant and also a bit daft.

Plus i'm off on my holiday this weekend, lots to do

[TheEchelonxRawr!KP]

I didnt like Dave in the begining i have to admit but he has kinda grown on me and i now think he is actually a nice entertainingg guy .. need to watch live feed more me thinks

[MargeryFan]

I agree completely with the OP. Nice to see i'm not the only one.

[Patrick]

I COULDN'T STAND HIM for what he did to Rachael in Week 1.

But I think he's pretty cool now I have watched Live Feed more often now.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by MrWong

What happens if i don't?

You only hurt (or help) yourself. This last post 'may' have intended to make some kind of sensible 'positive statement' but I don't know if you know what you are trying to say.

You seem to want me to make allowances for Dave having double standards due to his religious beliefs but Dave doesn't need to make allowances for Caoimhe being soaked by Josie and for being pissed.

If it makes you feel better - lets suppose I am daft and need you to rephrase that into some kind of 'positive statement'.
Not a random string of these "If something is this then why is another thing that hummm?" types of 'rhetorical questions'.

As for the quasi-feminist rhetoric:
In fact, the reason there are different standards for 'men viewing women' and 'women viewing men' is because there ARE different dynamics and they ARE different.
This is why they often have different standards.
In a basic example:
Men can be topless in public.
Women cannot.
Because they are different.

But the idea there is just a basic example. This has nothing to do with raping people and in this case doesn't have anything to do with 'laws' but with social contracts.

[psychtracker]

Ah well...another day, another crapola Dave edit. Didn't see much of him really, a couple of small spots of him winding up JJ & J about the duet task, and him telling the "lads" that Ben's been down. I'm surprised they actually showed a snippet of his audition! alas we never saw him in the recording studio, that was the usual suspects. The "sing off" he had with Mario in the nest looked like FUN...but not shown. And how about him getting emotional and comforted by Rachel over the song chosen, because it was a fav and played at his best friends wedding. God forbid they show him being sensitive!

I'm sure if the BB producers where reading this thread they'd be cacking their pants with self pride...nice job again boys!

PS. Oh..but they did get his gag in about John & Corin's voices sounding like his cat after being given chili, i will credit them with that.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Rachel has just asked him how he pays his rent ,he changed the question !!

Cheeky cow - what right did she have to ask him that? They should all answer that question, if he has to, including that little idiot!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

how does he make a living then??? last time i checked being drunk on the lord doesn't pay the bills

Listen will you! That question has been answered many times - getting really boring now!

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Listen will you! That question has been answered many times - getting really boring now!

maybe i am wrong but so far i haven't seen any question answered at all.. he just seems to slime and snake his way away from questions he doesn't want to answer..

if he can't even answer ordinary questions like that then he shouldn't make claims about being some kind of prophet or being drunk on the lord he should just keep his mouth shut and his bizarre rituals and ideas to himself IMO

you can tell he is a misogynistic, prejudiced and intolerant person its one rule for him and another for everyone else.. he even backstabbing his best friend Ben after all the time they spent together.. He sucks people in with his claims of loving everyone but really he just thinks hes better than them. If i were Josie i'd have punched him with his size 18 comments, what an insenstive pig hardly Jesus Christ is he more like the anti-christ if anything!!!

[crit]

Dave doesnt do or say anything interesting, entertaining or amusing.

Cant make a silk purse from a sows ear.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Yes i do. I'd say he's more 'bad' than 'good' but he's shown as the opposite of that in the highlights.

I think you should change your moniker to MrNeverWong

Just kidding...

Seriously though, you're the only person who's come on here claiming he's had a favourable or lucky edit throughout the series, that should tell you something. Makes me seriously wonder if we're both watching the same show! I can't make up my mind if you're deluded or stubborn, because it seems you will not even concede one point i make. You are right, and i am wrong about everything...apparently.

Just because you don't like the guy, does not mean that you have to have a completely biased view of the HL show editing of him.