[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

The reason I think they should be in non-residential areas is because they can attract allsorts. Would you like one in your street? Would you like to explain to your children about the goings on? Would you want potential trouble on your doorstep? I know I wouldn't.

exactly, I have no problem in theory with it but I don't need my kids seeing it at all.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

The reason I think they should be in non-residential areas is because they can attract allsorts. Would you like one in your street? Would you like to explain to your children about the goings on? Would you want potential trouble on your doorstep? I know I wouldn't.

Clubs, Night clubs and pubs and all entertainment centres attract "All sorts". Druggy's binge drinkers and so on but that does not mean they are banned from mainstream..........A brothel would be a private building nothing more nothing less. A place where sexual relief is satisfies and thus safer people would be both going to and leaving such premises... I think your concerns are based on old fashioned restrictive view points.........That's just my opinion......Who knows..........

[MojoNixon]

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Well, yeah, if you look at it that way, you always have to pay for sex But I suppose this way you're guaranteed it with out all the effort!

And if you pay enough the girl will even tell you that you're the best she's ever had

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by bananarama

Clubs, Night clubs and pubs and all entertainment centres attract "All sorts". Druggy's binge drinkers and so on but that does not mean they are banned from mainstream..........A brothel would be a private building nothing more nothing less. A place where sexual relief is satisfies and thus safer people would be both going to and leaving such premises... I think your concerns are based on old fashioned restrictive view points.........That's just my opinion......Who knows..........

Safer people? Who are these "safer people"? And where do all the "less safer" people then go?

[MojoNixon]

Old Dr Feelgood song goes :

If everybody is saying that
Love is free
How come they keep it
Under lock and key
When it comes to love
You've gotta shop around
On and off, the foreman sell it by the pound
Every kind of vice
Is only merchandise

When you're making love
Check your wallet every minute
Cause that little girl
Wants everything that's in it
Another thing with love
Apart from the money
You might get stung
If you're stealing honey
Every kind of vice
Is only merchandise

When you're feeling down
And you take it on the streets
Take your boys, you'll need them
It's gonna lift you off your feet
You really gonna fly
When you remember what I said
Moaning like a sleeper
And you'll wish that you were dead
Now it's lovin' or it's leave her
Or it's this or that
The man who's selling tickets
That's getting fat
Every kind of vice
Is only merchandise

[fuzzluvver69]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I don't see what the big deal with is really (unless someone is forced into it) I mean abortion is legal on the grounds of pro-choice and it being the womans own body and it's her choice etc., shouldn't the same apply to this?

I voted yes to the poll for many of the reasons already mentioned on the thread. Legalising would take the bulk of the prostitutes off the streets, see a drop in human trafficking, minimise current links with drugs, lower rates of violence etc.

Had to pick up on the above though to avoid spread of misinformation. There is a common misconception in the UK that abortion is legal - abortion is categorically NOT legal. Abortion is an illegal act, that is carried out in a manner similar to the laws of justifiable homicide. It is absolutely NOT a woman's choice to abort, as the permission of two medical practitioners is required, and they by law are only supposed to give permission for an abortion if they feel that the woman is likely to suffer either physical or mental harm as a result of following through with the pregnancy, or if the future child can be shown to likely have an impairment serious enough that it would have a very poor quality of life.

If two practitioners do NOT approve the action then an abortion would be an illegal act, it's just that it's become common practice similar to doctors prescribing various drugs at the drop of a hat to give permission because a woman says she wants to abort.

Now I'm not saying anything whatsoever about my own personal opinions in the above, actually I think abortion issues should be on a case by case basis, but that is in fact the legal position.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by fuzzluvver69

I voted yes to the poll for many of the reasons already mentioned on the thread. Legalising would take the bulk of the prostitutes off the streets, see a drop in human trafficking, minimise current links with drugs, lower rates of violence etc.

Had to pick up on the above though to avoid spread of misinformation. There is a common misconception in the UK that abortion is legal - abortion is categorically NOT legal. Abortion is an illegal act, that is carried out in a manner similar to the laws of justifiable homicide. It is absolutely NOT a woman's choice to abort, as the permission of two medical practitioners is required, and they by law are only supposed to give permission for an abortion if they feel that the woman is likely to suffer either physical or mental harm as a result of following through with the pregnancy, or if the future child can be shown to likely have an impairment serious enough that it would have a very poor quality of life.

If two practitioners do NOT approve the action then an abortion would be an illegal act, it's just that it's become common practice similar to doctors prescribing various drugs at the drop of a hat to give permission because a woman says she wants to abort.

Now I'm not saying anything whatsoever about my own personal opinions in the above, actually I think abortion issues should be on a case by case basis, but that is in fact the legal position.

Abortion is generally illegal except on certain grounds, its the interpretation of the grounds that allow so many abortions.

The two practitioner agreement is simply a rubber stamp job nowadays. Your GP referring you to a clinic is approval and the acceptance to carry out the abortion by the clinic is the second. Bearing in mind a doctors hands are pretty much tied in that if a doctor wont refer they have to direct the seeker to a doctor who will.

If someone goes directly to the clinic it is even less valid in that you will be interviewed by a doctor and the second doctor may be the practitioner prescribing the drugs. In some cases, it will simply be a rubber stamp from a second doctor involved with the clinic.

[fuzzluvver69]

Yup, that's pretty much what I said above, except that it is in fact an illegal act in [B]all[B] circumstances, there are no exceptions. When the Doctors give their permission it is in fact a justification of that illegal act that will then result in no prosecution.

Under the current set up they'd be as well to just legalise the whole thing, as the current law has absolutely no effect.

[Niamh.]

I understand what you're saying, it may not technically be legal but it is really and that whole Pro choice, womans own body argument is always the argument for it as well, that was my point

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I understand what you're saying, it may not technically be legal but it is really and that whole Pro choice, womans own body argument is always the argument for it as well, that was my point

No it is a completely legal action if carried out within the time frames and for the reasons allowed.

http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content...tDocId=1181037

Its covered by the Abortion Act 1967 and the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act. The second act states "an abortion is no longer legal after 24 weeks except....."

Kind of points to the fact abortions are legal within certain limits

Thats why it was brought onto statute.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

No it is a completely legal action if carried out within the time frames and for the reasons allowed.

http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content...tDocId=1181037

Its covered by the Abortion Act 1967 and the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act. The second act states "an abortion is no longer legal after 24 weeks except....."

Kind of points to the fact abortions are legal within certain limits

Thats why it was brought onto statute.

You said in your last post that it wasn't, I'm confused, you understand what I was trying to say anyhow

[Shasown]

If its inside the timeframes, for the reasons allowed and agreed to by two registered medical practitioners it is completely legal.

If one or more of the above conditions is not met, then it will more than likely be deemed to be illegal.

[Eye_Spy]

we are bombarded with seual images and innuendos constatly, but people face harrasment for visiting 'ladies of the night', then we wonder why theres so many sex crimes in the UK, or is the UK just so **** up, that there would be all these sex crimes regardless of whether prostitution was lawful.

personally i cannot see the diffrence between women that sell their bodies for sex, or women that sell their bodies for mundane tasks, eg stocking shelves or flipping burgers, all are prostituting their bodies in one way or another.

[Simone.]

Yes, they really should.

People clearly still sell their bodies even though brothels are ilegal in this country, they should be just so prostitutes have a safe place to work.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

we are bombarded with seual images and innuendos constatly, but people face harrasment for visiting 'ladies of the night', then we wonder why theres so many sex crimes in the UK, or is the UK just so **** up, that there would be all these sex crimes regardless of whether prostitution was lawful.

personally i cannot see the diffrence between women that sell their bodies for sex, or women that sell their bodies for mundane tasks, eg stocking shelves or flipping burgers, all are prostituting their bodies in one way or another.

Flipping burgers is hardly selling their bodies for sex.......However on the same theme you suggest.......When a guy spends money on a date lets face it he hopes he can score a hit and by spending he is potentially buying.If the date accepts and rewards then she has been paid for sex.......The majority of people prostitute themselves in one form or another they just don't all make a living out of it......

As a matter of human rights between consenting adults of course it should always be legal for consenting people to obtain sexual relief by any reasonable consenting means......