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Originally Posted by Livia

If you aren't religious, I'm an confused why you're arguing so hard in support of a couple of passages of a book you don't consider God's Word.

So you've given me two Old Testament mentions, both Leviticus (read the rest of it and see the all the other things you're not allowed to do) and two New Testament passages. You'll have undoubtedly noticed that it also says drunkards shall not enter the kingdom of Heaven, so presumably Andrew is out, after last night's performance. Oh, and you can be stoned to death for working on the Sabbath. And working on the Sabbath includes going shopping, cooking and even answering the telephone. So, are you going to embrace the bit that says homosexuality is an abomination, but ignore all the other "abominations" because you consider them to be archaic?

Sixty years ago people were sent to prison for being homosexual. Society has moved on.

When the Bible was written the world was a very different place. The bits about homosexuality are as outdated as the bits about being allowed to own slaves.

Incidentally, also in Leviticus [21.20] it states that you may not approach God's alter if you have a defect of sight. Our Rabbi wears glasses. Clearly he thinks there are bits that are past their sell-by date too.

Hi, see this is what I like, this is what these forums are all about, healthy debate on relevant subjects. not mindless childish slagging for no real reason. Thanks you Livia.

So....Like I said before, I'm not religous, I'm not arguing for or against the bible, I'm arguing for Dave's right to have a religous view, and one that should by all rights be shared by the majority of the coutry as it is christian coutry by foundation.

When I talked about society 60 years ago my point was that if we could take their values we would be better off, not their laws. Would you not rather live in a world where the dustman would take your bin even if the lid wasn't shut slightly? Or, not worry about sending your child on a school sports event in case they bang their head against another child and the other parents sue you? Would you rather not be surrounded by health and safety signs everywhere yo go telling you not to do what you quite clearly wouldn't do anyway? And so on and so forth!

Now I'm not homophobic in any way but in my opinion, and it is my opinion and I'm allowed it, I don't agree that same sex couples should be allowed to adopt children, and I am happy to think that knowing that I am allowed an opinion, ergo, Dave should be allowed his religous views, after all, without national identity and the great and triumphant history of our country what would we be left with in todays society of immigration and assylum??