[Angus]

Originally Posted by Chilltown

If there is a God then who created God? =o Yeah, I just blew your mind Christians.

If the universe came into being via the big bang theory, where did the miniscule amount of original matter come from? (sits back and waits for scientific explanation, but won't hold my breath).

[SoBig]

The universe is too complex for it just to be created by a random event. Look at the earth, oceans, animals, human body etc and how everything fits perfectly in place for life to exists. There had to be a creator.

[Boothy]

God is just a coping mechanism for people who need guidance in their life. The same with all religions. And they do far more harm than good.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Boothy

God is just a coping mechanism for people who need guidance in their life. The same with all religions. And they do far more harm than good.

In what way do they do more harm?

I think people underestimate the benefit of religion in todays society

[arista]

Originally Posted by Boothy

God is just a coping mechanism for people who need guidance in their life. The same with all religions. And they do far more harm than good.

Bang On Right Boothy


You are Most Wise.

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

In what way do they do more harm?

I think people underestimate the benefit of religion in todays society

Take any war from the last 100 years and think about what the main reason behind it starting was.

[Niamh.]

whether there is or there isn't a God/higher power none of us will ever know. I do however believe that religions are a crock of sh1t and used to control the masses through fear

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Boothy

Take any war from the last 100 years and think about what the main reason behind it starting was.

Well if we think of the two bloodiest, WWI and WWII, that wasnt due to religion

Britain declared war on Germany in WW1 because of our increasing fear of them, and their emergance as one of our most prominent economic, naval and colonial rivals, and one of the main factors behind the war was the Alliance system existant at the time, which was just waiting for a spark to be lit to set off major conflict, and the shooting of Franz Ferdinand was what it happened to be. I dont see how any of that was religions fault.

And then war was declared in 1939 because Hitler had (finally) taken it too far, in Chamberlain's eyes, with the invasion of Poland, so I dont think it's fair to say religion was the major cause behind most wars this last century

[Lee.]

It amazes me that grown intelligent adults can belive 100% in the bible and deny evolution ever happened despite there being evidence of it all around!

To me religion is man made t offer people some form of belief and guidance.

I think I've asked this before on here, but how long ago were Adam and Eve created?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by happyland

It amazes me that grown intelligent adults can belive 100% in the bible and deny evolution ever happened despite there being evidence of it all around!

To me religion is man made t offer people some form of belief and guidance.

I think I've asked this before on here, but how long ago were Adam and Eve created?

Most Christians do now accept evolution though, I think even the Catholic church do.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Most Christians do now accept evolution though, I think even the Catholic church do.

But even if they do, it still amazes me that they can fully believe what is written in the bible.. it's fiction obviously

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Most Christians do now accept evolution though, I think even the Catholic church do.

they do "now" accept it because people don't just take everything they say as-pardon the pun-gospel anymore and so they have to accept it! i love how they can just change round their rules whenever it suits them!

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by happyland

It amazes me that grown intelligent adults can belive 100% in the bible and deny evolution ever happened despite there being evidence of it all around!

To me religion is man made t offer people some form of belief and guidance.

I think I've asked this before on here, but how long ago were Adam and Eve created?

No-one actually knows but I've heard between 5000-20,000 years ago. I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve were put on Earth once 'God' had finished 'creating' it, which means Earth was created, at most, 20,000 years ago.

So in the eyes of Christians, Dinosaurs or anything else over 20,000 years old didn't ever exist.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Boothy

No-one actually knows but I've heard between 5000-20,000 years ago. I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve were put on Earth once 'God' had finished 'creating' it, which means Earth was created, at most, 20,000 years ago.

So in the eyes of Christians, Dinosaurs or anything else over 20,000 years old didn't ever exist.

Yeah.. you just stole my next point

But yeah, how do they explain dinosaurs.. or fossils of single cell organisms for that matter?

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by happyland

Yeah.. you just stole my next point

But yeah, how do they explain dinosaurs.. or fossils of single cell organisms for that matter?

Idk. 'God' probably put them there.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Boothy

Idk. 'God' probably put them there.

Adam and Eve were amoebas?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by InOne

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death

but whats the point of dying if we aint gonna go somewhere?

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Boothy

So in the eyes of Christians, Dinosaurs or anything else over 20,000 years old didn't ever exist.

Thats not true dude. Christians do believe that Dinosaurs existed, because its in the Bible. They believe that God created Dinosaurs, before he created man on the current earth that we live on today.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by happyland

But even if they do, it still amazes me that they can fully believe what is written in the bible.. it's fiction obviously

i do believe theres some false stories in the bible but i also believe theres some truth to them aswell.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

they do "now" accept it because people don't just take everything they say as-pardon the pun-gospel anymore and so they have to accept it! i love how they can just change round their rules whenever it suits them!

Well it's hardly religions fault that they were ignorant of evolution, everyone was until 150 years ago. It is just believed that religion and evolution are not incompatible, and there was therefore no issue with adjusting their beliefs to accomodate for the discovery.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Boothy

No-one actually knows but I've heard between 5000-20,000 years ago. I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve were put on Earth once 'God' had finished 'creating' it, which means Earth was created, at most, 20,000 years ago.

So in the eyes of Christians, Dinosaurs or anything else over 20,000 years old didn't ever exist.

Well, fundamentalists would argue that it was roughly 6000 years old. Not all Christians would take the story of creation literally though..

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Boothy

Take any war from the last 100 years and think about what the main reason behind it starting was.

Oh yeah lets, lets do the major ones first eh?

WW1 following an assassination in the Balkans, Germany used it to further her goals for Imperialism.

Sino Soviet War, disputes over territory

Abyssinian War. Italian Colonial War.

Spanish Civil. Political war.

WW2 simmering resentment in germany over the conditions imposed on it by the Treaty of Versailles. Japanese and Italian greed for conquest.

Korean War. Civil war (communism versus democracy) that became a war by proxy between superpowers.

Vietnam War. as above.

Various African wars 1960's and 70's, mostly internal strife, seizing power through non diplomatic means.

Falklands Conflict - self determination of Islanders, national pride.

Balkans, following the breakup of the Former Republic of Yugoslavia, various factions intent on seizing power and eliminating the opposition.

Iraq, failure to follow UN Resolutions, Oil, Greed and pride really.

Afghanistan - refusal to close camps and hand over Al Quaeda leaders to US, ostensibly war on terrorism. There is also the US requirement for safe secure Oil transit.

[Sticks]

As for dinosaurs, if you look at the book of Job it describes at least two, Behemoth and Leviathan

As for the fossils, creationists will tell you that they are the result of the global flood of Noah.

No in order to get rid of the flood waters, the Earth had to be drastically changed, and so, the argument goes, in the new world after that, dinosaurs were unable to survive.

As for large dinosaurs on the ark, who says they had to be adult dinosaurs, hey could have been juveniles

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Boothy

No-one actually knows but I've heard between 5000-20,000 years ago. I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve were put on Earth once 'God' had finished 'creating' it, which means Earth was created, at most, 20,000 years ago.

So in the eyes of Christians, Dinosaurs or anything else over 20,000 years old didn't ever exist.

Only if they take Genesis as being literal as opposed to metaphorical

One of Gods days may be the equivalent of several hundreds of thousands or even millions of one of our years.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Sticks

As for dinosaurs, if you look at the book of Job it describes at least two, Behemoth and Leviathan

As for the fossils, creationists will tell you that they are the result of the global flood of Noah.

No in order to get rid of the flood waters, the Earth had to be drastically changed, and so, the argument goes, in the new world after that, dinosaurs were unable to survive.

As for large dinosaurs on the ark, who says they had to be adult dinosaurs, hey could have been juveniles

Isn't there a belief that when God threw Lucifer from heaven to the earth, that was at the time when Dinosaurs roamed the earth? Lucifer was exiled from heaven before man was created.