[smartalec2718]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Clearly you need to rewatch because Jun was from far nice-smart. In fact, she won because she was up against Alison and Alison was hated more than her. Alison's poor social game garnered her one Jury vote. One out of seven. That pretty much means that she played an ineffective social game, or at least less effective than Jun's, which is what matters when she's against her. And you're last sentence is ridiculous, because personal reasons effect Jury votes and make Alison less likable, so of course the Jury won't vote for her. They might not have been related to Alison's strategy, but they certainly effected her game whether you want to admit it or not.

1) The BB2 Jury was bitter against Nicole, so they voted for Will. That's a major reason why Will got the votes.
2) The BB7 Jury didn't like Erika because she was fake, so they voted for Mike.
3) Renny and Keesha were bitter in the BB10 Jury, Dan got their votes.

You can't use bitter Juries as an argument for robbed winners. If you make it to the end and you get the most votes, you deserve to win, you DID win. Every single Juror has voted, at least partially, based on their own personal emotions, that's just human nature. You can't get around that no matter what, it's how people operate. A good winner can play to the emotions of the Jury and foresee who will be angry about being evicted and who will be a good sport and know how to deal with them individually. What you're doing is saying that the BB3 and BB4 Juries were "bitter" because you're upset Danielle and Alison didn't win. In that case, then the BB2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 Juries were bitter as well and Nicole, Cowboy, Ivette, Erika, Daniele, Ryan, Memphis, Natalie, and Lane were all robbed too right?

I'm going to respond to the parts of your argument that actually make sense, and are relevant.

1) Please explain exactly how and why the BB2 jury was more angry at Nicole than Will, because I definitely don't agree with that assessment.
2) The BB7 jury "not liking Erika" was not because she was fake, it was because she floated. She didn't do anything wrong to anyone, but she never made any big game moves. Mike did, and though that resulted in several evictions, jurors were able to put aside their anger at Chilltown and vote for Mike, who was the deserving winner, though they could have had every right to vote for Erika out of bitterness because they were angry at being played by Chilltown.
3) In BB10, Renny and Keesha may very well have been bitter towards Memphis, but that doesn't change the fact that the jury as a whole put aside its dislike for Dan as a person (and I'm really just talking about April, Michelle, Ollie, and Jerry) and chose to reward him for his gameplay, which was strategically sound but responsible for quite a few evictions. So this argument doesn't make sense.
4) While I understand and see why you believe that if you did win, you deserve to win, you can't honestly think that Lisa played a better game end-to-end than Danielle did. She was nice, and didn't piss anyone off. Those were the only things she did better than Danielle. Besides, the show's producers agree with the bitter jury argument, and how do we know this? Because they created the jury concept the very next season!
5) You seem to be saying that a good player will foresee the emotions other HG's will experience upon eviction and will know how to play off those emotions to come out looking good in that HG's eyes. While that holds true for some winners (Dan especially), neither Lisa nor Jun was strong in that regard - it definitely doesn't hold true universally for all winners.
6) I'm not upset that Alison and Danielle didn't win, but I believe they should have won because I believe they had better gameplay than their F2 opponents.
7) And finally, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about any of the other juries being bitter, and I don't believe that any one of the runner-ups you mentioned was "robbed." I think Ryan would have been a more deserving winner than Adam in BB9, and I think Daniele and Dick were equally deserving of the win in BB8, but for the most part I think juries have been pretty good about awarding the top prize to the right person over the years.

So yeah, there's no need to be all condescending and 100% positive that your viewpoint is the one and only correct one. Nor is there any need for you to invent pieces of my argument and then put words in my mouth.