[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Omen

He wasn't given a choice.

Well, he was really...either take the pay cut or leave. So he agreed to it...which is what I said.

Originally Posted by Omen

Says he'd do the job for nothing, then one month without 50k he goes off on one. Do me a favour!

When did he say he'd 'do the job for nothing'? Source?

At the end of the day, he is still a working man. He does a job and as with everyone else, expects to be paid. He might be a lot more well-off than most but he is still entitled to his wage that he works for. I really can't fathom what part of that is difficult to grasp...

There are a lot of people who work in social care/hospitals etc, that kind of work, that probably care for their patients etc, but can obviously not work for free. They're still doing a job and are entitled to their pay. On time. It doesn't mean they don't love the job or care for the people they are working with, it just means they are working and they want the wage they are entitled to.

[Jase]

I heard someone talking about this in town and it was on another site i go on

I love chris moyles and the show and listen religiously but that as nothing to do with what im about to say

If he as not been payed for 2 months he as the right to go mad because i know i would even if i did have a mill in the bank. Like others have said he as been to management and everything and they said it doesn't matter. I would be pissed off, plus he was only telling a story of why he almost never went into work

[Jase]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well, he was really...either take the pay cut or leave. So he agreed to it...which is what I said.



When did he say he'd 'do the job for nothing'? Source?

At the end of the day, he is still a working man. He does a job and as with everyone else, expects to be paid. He might be a lot more well-off than most but he is still entitled to his wage that he works for. I really can't fathom what part of that is difficult to grasp...

There are a lot of people who work in social care/hospitals etc, that kind of work, that probably care for their patients etc, but can obviously not work for free. They're still doing a job and are entitled to their pay. On time. It doesn't mean they don't love the job or care for the people they are working with, it just means they are working and they want the wage they are entitled to.

He as said many times before on the air that if he had to do it for free he would

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Jack_

For the love of God, are you another one of those that does not read things and just jumps to conclusion out of hatred for the man?

I have already said he took it up with the bosses off-air. The article also said the same. And so did Chris himself on-air. Read and listen.

Yes he has split up with his girlfriend, hence why this probably isn't helping matters. As he said on-air, he 'really doesn't need this right now'. And it is true. Why should he be denied pay for two months after working for those two months? It is all about respect and principle.

I've just listened to the first full hour. He never mentions that he's taken this up with the bosses. He calls a few people a few things and assumes he knows the reason why it happens but he sounds like he's speculation. Doesn't seem like he's had much of a discussion.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Tom

I know its not been frozen, I'm just making the point and without knowing his outgoings you can't say it doesn't have an effect on his finances, you're just assuming that

Yeah, thats true I suppose.

Originally Posted by Jack_

It is completely and utterly irrelevant how much he is paid or what effect it is going to have on his finances. It's all about respect and principle. There is no respect in not paying one of your employees for two months work. No respect whatsoever. Whether it was a toilet cleaner or a football player, I would say the same thing. No respect whatsoever.

As he said on-air, if he suddenly decided to stop working because 'he couldn't be bothered', do you think the bosses would be 'bothered' enough to pay him? No. No they wouldn't. So why should he be 'bothered' to turn up and work for two months when they're not 'bothered' enough to pay him for those two months work?

I think it says a lot about his love for his job about how this has not yet been mentioned or he has not yet refused to turn up. I very much doubt a lot of other people would continue working after a month of no pay, let alone two months or more.

And what are you on about with 'the listeners don't want to hear that'? What planet are you on? Do you realise the show is called 'The Chris Moyles Show', so naturally the show is going to be primarily about him, his life, his job, the show in general, and other minor things? If people didn't want to hear that then you'd expect them not to listen. Of course, there are a few dim *****s that listen so that they can vent some more of their hatred for the man and jump at any opportunity they can get to condemn him. It's laughable stuff.

And at 06:30 - it is entertaining radio [at least in my eyes]. A man ranting about his pay and showing his management up to be completely incompetent is highly amusing and entertaining. Far, far better than listening to some average 'hi welcome along to the show...this is Lady Gaga. Then next we'll play some Lily Allen, followed by five minutes of repetitive adverts and then five more songs' so-called 'DJ' on an average station like Galaxy.

No, it's absolutely and utterly relevant, 100%. If Bill Gates gets robbed of £200 do you have just as much sympathy as when the same happens to a single mum who cant pay the bills? No, you dont give a **** about Bill Gates, and I really couldnt care less if a man has to wait a few weeks for his montly £60,000 to come through. You have to put each situation into context. I'm not saying it's right what they did to him but I dont feel obliged to sympathise with the guy just because of the principal of the matter, because that loses all it's importance when it, probably, does not have a dterimental effect on the guy at all.

He said himself he loves his job. Well, I think that when you're being paid £650,000 for a job that you love then you are very content in life. So one of his pau cheques is delayed a bit, he should get over it, if he truly loved his job as much as he said then he should be able to overcome such a minor setback, particularly, as, in the grand of scheme of things, it wiill affect him very little. He'll get the money eventually, it's not like he hasn't been paid all year, it's just one pay cheque (assuming he gets paid monthly)

Umm yes, believe it or not, I am aware that it is the Chris Moyles show. He's supposedly a comedian, he's mean to crack a few jokes, play a few games and play some music inbetween. The fact that it's his show does not require him to make public a private dispute, nor does it justify it. It's between him and the BBC, dont impose your personal problem on your listeners.

[Jase]

Originally Posted by Omen

He wasn't given a choice. Says he'd do the job for nothing, then one month without 50k he goes off on one. Do me a favour!

He was given the choice actually, they said will you take a pay cut and he said yes, if he said no they wouldn't cut it at the risk of loosing him, they lose him they lose 3-4 mill listeners no doubt

[Jase]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I've just listened to the first full hour. He never mentions that he's taken this up with the bosses. He calls a few people a few things and assumes he knows the reason why it happens but he sounds like he's speculation. Doesn't seem like he's had much of a discussion.

You think after the first month he didnt get payed he would just leave it, of couse he would speak to someone up top thats prety irrelevent and all their saying is it will be ok and forget it

[MTVN]

Jack, you keep saying people are missing the point. They're not. I dont think anyone saying he's not entitled to his wages (I'm not anyway) it's just the apparent imperitive to sympathise with him that people are disagreeing with.

[Marsh.]

Well, I actually think how much he earns is the point.
I don't think you can compare it to a £12, 000 pa job being more than £50 a week benefits. Because the difference is that if he is behind on his outgoings due to lack of pay, he is still earning £50, 000 a month or whatever it is so he's hardly going to go without food etc. Someone who earns minimum wage or surviving on benefits having their pay delayed may affect their basic needs; food, water etc especially if they have a family to feed.
Chris Moyles missing one of his regular £50, 000 cheques isn't going to leave him starving. That's the point.
It's an inconvenience, yes. But a serious problem? No (unless he has some ridiculously excessive debts)

[Patrick]

He's so lucky to of went into the Big Brother house though like so many times, especially in 2008.


Sorry off topic, but yeah good on him for being all pissed and that.

Oh and Hi everyone

[Omen]

Anyone who feels sympathy for someone earning that much not being paid on time needs their head examined. 100k is enough for anyone pa.

Hello Patrick.

[Jase]

no one feels sorry for him as such its just the fact he as the right to moan because you would anyone would, its irrelevant how much you are being paid or how much you have got the fact is he ain't been payed and he mentioned it in a story and the whole nation as gone mad because he talked about it and tbh its sad sad stuck up there own arse people who think that

[Omen]

He didn't talk about it in a story he moped about it on the radio.

[Jase]

Originally Posted by Omen

He didn't talk about it in a story he moped about it on the radio.

The story was about why he almost never come into work

[Omen]

He's just havin' a mope because his gf left him, he's not a morning person and he spent the night on a sofa.

[Marsh.]

Someone who thinks the general public who have to work all the hours god sends to get about 1% of what he probably earns would think it pretty stuck up of Chris Moyles to spend nearly an hour of his show expecting people to sympathise about his pay being a bit late when he gets paid 20x the amount he deserves anyway. Plus, the money is paid by the public aswell.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jase

He as said many times before on the air that if he had to do it for free he would

Fair enough. But the way I see that is if he could have the show as his 'hobby' then he would. But obviously it's his job, he doesn't have any other job and so thus he needs to make money somehow. If you have a job you expect to get paid. If he did it for free and had a job on the side then fine, but it's his real job and so thus he is entitled to moan about his pay - afterall it is his job and he is doing a job to earn money.

That's how I see it anyway.

Originally Posted by MTVN

No, it's absolutely and utterly relevant, 100%. If Bill Gates gets robbed of £200 do you have just as much sympathy as when the same happens to a single mum who cant pay the bills? No, you dont give a **** about Bill Gates, and I really couldnt care less if a man has to wait a few weeks for his montly £60,000 to come through. You have to put each situation into context. I'm not saying it's right what they did to him but I dont feel obliged to sympathise with the guy just because of the principal of the matter, because that loses all it's importance when it, probably, does not have a dterimental effect on the guy at all.

He said himself he loves his job. Well, I think that when you're being paid £650,000 for a job that you love then you are very content in life. So one of his pau cheques is delayed a bit, he should get over it, if he truly loved his job as much as he said then he should be able to overcome such a minor setback, particularly, as, in the grand of scheme of things, it wiill affect him very little. He'll get the money eventually, it's not like he hasn't been paid all year, it's just one pay cheque (assuming he gets paid monthly)

Where did I say that people had to 'sympathise' with him? I just said he had every right to be furious, that's all. Which he does.

I only personally sympathise with him in the sense that he's evidently had a hard time with his relationship that has just recently ended, he was 'ill' for a week at the end of August where apparently he went to stay with his parents in Leeds, and now this. He looks very rough at the minute too. Doesn't look well at all.

Originally Posted by MTVN

Umm yes, believe it or not, I am aware that it is the Chris Moyles show. He's supposedly a comedian, he's mean to crack a few jokes, play a few games and play some music inbetween. The fact that it's his show does not require him to make public a private dispute, nor does it justify it. It's between him and the BBC, dont impose your personal problem on your listeners.

Yes it does. Because he went to management and they didn't seem to care, and told him 'it doesn't matter'. So the only way he was going to get them off their arses was to let nine million people know about their total incompetence live on the radio. It's the last resort. And evidently he had to go there.

Originally Posted by MTVN

Jack, you keep saying people are missing the point. They're not. I dont think anyone saying he's not entitled to his wages (I'm not anyway) it's just the apparent imperitive to sympathise with him that people are disagreeing with.

Again - where have I said people HAVE to sympathise with him? All I'm trying to say is that he has every right to be furious.

Originally Posted by Omen

He's just havin' a mope because his gf left him, he's not a morning person and he spent the night on a sofa.

Pretty clueless, it seems. He left her, actually. So evidently you shouldn't be commenting on things you know absolutely nothing about.

[setanta]

Your own personal feelings for the guy are irrelevant here, and you really shouldn't use this event as an excuse to have a few digs at him, especially over the wage he earns. Look, I'm not a big fan of the chap but it's ridiculous that he hasn't been paid.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Someone who thinks the general public who have to work all the hours god sends to get about 1% of what he probably earns would think it pretty stuck up of Chris Moyles to spend nearly an hour of his show expecting people to sympathise about his pay being a bit late when he gets paid 20x the amount he deserves anyway.

Who said he wanted people to sympathise with him either? He has always been like this. If he's annoyed or something is bothering him, he will rant about it on-air. Hence why it's called The Chris Moyles Show, because, surprise ****ing surprise, the show is about him and his life. In this instance he was probably moaning about it on-air because the bosses clearly weren't listening to his personal and private discussions. By telling nine million viewers the BBC and Radio 1 are incompetent that's surely going to give them a kick up the arse? It makes sense.

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Plus, the money is paid by the public aswell.

I doubt even a pound of your licence fee goes towards Chris Moyles' wages, FFS.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by setanta

Your own personal feelings for the guy are irrelevant here, and you really shouldn't use this event as an excuse to have a few digs at him, especially over the wage he earns. Look, I'm not a big fan of the chap but it's ridiculous that he hasn't been paid.

Exactly. Thank **** there's someone with some sense on this forum, I was beginning to get a little worried reading this thread [though I should've come to expect it really, this is TiBB].

[Omen]

OP said he had a rant on the air, yet is defending him.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Omen

OP said he had a rant on the air, yet is defending him.

That's his style though, and I'm sure his avid listeners tune in for that kinda thing... it's what he's paid for.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Where did I say that people had to 'sympathise' with him? I just said he had every right to be furious, that's all. Which he does.

I only personally sympathise with him in the sense that he's evidently had a hard time with his relationship that has just recently ended, he was 'ill' for a week at the end of August where apparently he went to stay with his parents in Leeds, and now this. He looks very rough at the minute too. Doesn't look well at all.



Yes it does. Because he went to management and they didn't seem to care, and told him 'it doesn't matter'. So the only way he was going to get them off their arses was to let nine million people know about their total incompetence live on the radio. It's the last resort. And evidently he had to go there.



Again - where have I said people HAVE to sympathise with him? All I'm trying to say is that he has every right to be furious.

Perhaps you didn't say that, but this debate began originally after you slated me for saying "my heart bleeds".

All I'm saying is that he should gain some perspective. Of course, the BBC should have paid him, but he would do well to remember that he is considerably well off and earns a fortune compared to most people. In the grand scheme of things it probably affects him very little and yet the way he was talking you'd think he'd been made homeless! Personally, I think he's just throwing his toys out the pram.

His comments are pretty ill-judged if you ask me, considering that the country is still cautiously recovering from a severe recession and many people have gone through hard times, and then you switch on the radio and have to listen to Moyles' ranting on about how his £50,000 is arriving a little late.

Let's say a salesman has his pay cheque delayed (probably not unusual, Moyles' is hardly the first person not to be paid), should they go and have a rant at customers about it? That's effectively what he's doing here. It was completely inappropiate imo..

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Exactly. Thank **** there's someone with some sense on this forum, I was beginning to get a little worried reading this thread [though I should've come to expect it really, this is TiBB].

God forbid there be two sides to an argument

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Omen

OP said he had a rant on the air, yet is defending him.

See this:

Originally Posted by setanta

That's his style though, and I'm sure his avid listeners tune in for that kinda thing... it's what he's paid for.

Exactly.

Omen, do you even know what you're talking about? Because it seems like you've just jumped in here and used this as another opportunity to condemn someone that you evidently hate. Pathetic, really. Like those commenters on the Daily Mail/Guardian websites. It's what his listeners tune in for, it's what he does, and in this instance especially, he had every right to be furious.

Just...think about what you're saying. Because not a lot of it makes sense.