[Tom]

Originally Posted by Shasown

It is attitudes like yours that do actually endanger lives. What happens when you think you are on the ball but maybe you arent. Going through red lights while accelerator harshly, yeah safe as houses that noone has ever been involved in an accident let alone been killed because of someone doing that have they?

Any sort of deliberate action breaking the law when driving is as willful as any other.

As for zero tolerance there is no such thing, where do you set the limit, some peoples metabolism naturally create a certain level of alcohol in the body if they eat fruit for example.

I bet you still feed the wheel.

I always work on a 2 second rule, if its going on to amber, if I think I can make it before its red then I'll put my foot down, if not then I'll brake. If I ever go through a red light its when its literally just turned red, its not like I randomly sit at traffic lights and then drive into oncoming traffic whilst its red, just keep going without looking or floor the accelerator so I'm going 50mph through the lights. In theory, doing that won't cause an accident because I still keep a good distance from the car in front and the traffic lights for oncoming traffic will still be on red too.

And there is such thing as zero tolerance, metabolism isn't going to put the same amount of alcohol into your bloodstream as drinking a pint so limits need to be kept at a minimal level. The current system allows you to drink a fair bit

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Tom

I bet you still feed the wheel.

I always work on a 2 second rule, if its going on to amber, if I think I can make it before its red then I'll put my foot down, if not then I'll brake. If I ever go through a red light its when its literally just turned red, its not like I randomly sit at traffic lights and then drive into oncoming traffic whilst its red, just keep going without looking or floor the accelerator so I'm going 50mph through the lights. In theory, doing that won't cause an accident because I still keep a good distance from the car in front and the traffic lights for oncoming traffic will still be on red too.

And there is such thing as zero tolerance, metabolism isn't going to put the same amount of alcohol into your bloodstream as drinking a pint so limits need to be kept at a minimal level. The current system allows you to drink a fair bit

I hope you keep saying that and believing it when you hit someone.

The current system actually doesnt allow you to drink a lot, that is what most people fail to appreciate, a pint will see an average man under the limit so long as he has eaten a meal within the previous couple of hours however two pints of normal beers and lager(at about 4%) will see him just on or over depending on size general fitness and a lot of other considerations.

And no I dont drink and drive at all. Like today i took my daughter in for shopping and to get her hair cut, it would have been easier to to use the car but because I knew I probably would have a pint or three we got the bus. Its that simple. If I have had a few of an evening and I need to get anywhere in the morning then its taxis and public transport. Its not too hard given the local area.

But I do appreciate the problems of others, dropping kids off on the way to work, no breakfast etc

Obviously themetabolism doesnt put the same amount of alcohol into the system, I never said it did, but at what level would you propose any future blood alcohol level?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I hope you keep saying that and believing it when you hit someone.

The current system actually doesnt allow you to drink a lot, that is what most people fail to appreciate, a pint will see an average man under the limit so long as he has eaten a meal within the previous couple of hours however two pints of normal beers and lager(at about 4%) will see him just on or over depending on size general fitness and a lot of other considerations.

And no I dont drink and drive at all. Like today i took my daughter in for shopping and to get her hair cut, it would have been easier to to use the car but because I knew I probably would have a pint or three we got the bus. Its that simple. If I have had a few of an evening and I need to get anywhere in the morning then its taxis and public transport. Its not too hard given the local area.

But I do appreciate the problems of others, dropping kids off on the way to work, no breakfast etc

Obviously themetabolism doesnt put the same amount of alcohol into the system, I never said it did, but at what level would you propose any future blood alcohol level?

As low as biologically possible.

You've answered your own point imo where you say alcohol affects everyone differently. We're told raw figures, ie units, not all of the other information that goes with it that you need to eat etc. Some people get drunk faster than others, so 3 units will make one person quite tipsy whilst it will keep another stone cold sober. How can you let a tipsy person get behind a wheel? You can't put a solid figure on how much alcohol it takes for a person to be unable to drive and thats a risk the current system has.