[Angus]

Originally Posted by Shasown

For someone who claims to have some knowledge of Islam and muslims, you show outstanding ignorance, what fatwahs involving death sentences are 'reserved' as you put it for westerners.

I believe that the greater number of fatwahs regarding death sentences are actually for muslims who commit some of the crimes/sins that some schools of Islam's regard as worthy of a death sentence, you know things like adultery, apostacy and heresy.

What fatwahs regarding infidels do you refer to?




I would agree with you, but perhaps if you had researched this subject you would have found the schools are for muslims who want their children to be eductaed that way, they are voluntary fee paying schools, therefore people have a choice whether they send their children there or not.



Nah we arent sleepwalking anyway, most of this country of ours is fairly tolerant and understand that banning the burka would produce more problems than it solves. We also like to not get carried away with rhetoric and very little facts unlike yourself.

Mind you why not? if you cant find facts to suit your argument just make them up and try to shout loudest, your panic-mongering might actually gain the ear of the ill educated.

Seems it's you putting your own interpretation on what I've said. Who said all infidels are westerners? Not me. It is common knowledge that fatwahs are issued against any who dissent, ridicule or in any way challenge Islam, and as many are issued against muslims as westerners (Salman Rushdie). Nor did I claim to be any expert on Islam or muslims, all I said was that I had the misfortune, being a woman, to live in muslim countries for several years and hated and despised the way women are treated there. Naturally my opinions and attitudes have been shaped by what I personally experienced, saw and heard and by interacting and speaking with muslim women. Silly me, having the audacity to form opinions based on life experience.

As for rhetoric, you seem mighty fond of that yourself - but it doesn't bother me since this is a forum for DEBATE which of course involves a fair bit of rhetoric. I note a lot of YOUR posts are full of statistics etc lifted straight from wikipedia.

You appear to be crediting me with massive influence over people's thought processes if you are accusing me of "panic-mongering". Strangely enough, as a mere woman, I am still entitled to state my opinion and have no need to run it by any one first. I am flattered if you think my opinions carry sufficient weight to "panic-monger".

As regards the brainwashing of young girls in faith schools, no doubt you find that totally acceptable - whereas I do not, and guess what? Just cos your a man doesn't make YOUR opinion more valid than mine. As regards being voluntary fee paying schools, I think you'll find a lot of them get nice fat grants from the Government - that is if you care to do YOUR research. Irrespective of that, they are NOT entitled to teach in a way that is seditious to our culture and way of life, and clearly sexist subjugation of women by coercive brainwashing is unacceptable in any society except, it seems, if you're a muslim. The fact that a lot of us find the burkha an abhorrent sign of male domination of women doesn't seem to concern you, but then you're not female are you?

It is a FACT that sexual discrimination is ILLEGAL in this country, and I do not see why we should be expected to allow one section of society to flout the law and perpetuate the subjugation of women when it has been outlawed in this country for decades.

If you can't find the facts to back up YOUR rhetoric I suggest you return to Wikipedia for your next post since that is clearly where you get your greatest inspiration.