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Lucy. · 07-10-2010, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

I said grow up. Even if you were twelve you can act it.

You said grow up little girl actually.

Kerry · 07-10-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

It was a joke but it is seriously annoying, if you can't debate with someone without acting all superior saying that we don't know because we're not parents then you might as well leave as that's not a debate, try and actually argue the points instead of just going 'You're not a parent you don't understand'.

It's a cheap and annoying copout.

It's annoying for those of us that are parents. I've not screamed at the report button yet though

InOne · 07-10-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by thebeast

Yes.. we can use this for some of them. But not for the ones who have already murdered. Yet they will get special treatment in a rehabilitation centre and us tax payers have to pay for them? No thanks.....

I think most of them CHOOSE to look at porn and rape and kill babies.

A minority will have a serious mental condition. It is a choice at the end of the day. Most will know it is wrong what they are doing. If they commit the crime, they have to pay the price. Life in prison and they should still be well.. "tested" why did they do this.. blah blah.. or be tested then.. capital punishment? Their choice!

I wouldn't bother ever letting them out in the real world again......

I doubt it. It's starts very early on, and they are driven to it by compulsions. Everyone has a choice but once you take that leap too far there is no stopping you.

Beastie · 07-10-2010, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by setanta

I understand your frustration and believe me, I'd want some retribution too if any of the people that I love were harmed in any way, but this problem wont disappear with them in prison, you know? And don't forget that you wanted them to be chopped up or hanged in your first comment, and it's that kinda of emotive language that will sever any kind of chances of making real progress in dealing with the issue head on. As long as we're around there'll be paedophiles, and I just think we should learn more about the condition rather than give in to hate, you know?

But yeah, they shouldn't be allowed back out after offending, especially since there's no cure as of yet for their condition.

Exactly.. life is life. If they are on "good behaviour" in jail.. tough sh!t.. they should stay in there until they DIE. Give them an egg custard or something for a being a "good" prisoner for the day!

Kerry · 07-10-2010, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucy.

You said grow up little girl actually.

Oh for heavens sake. If you can't take a bit of stick....

Lucy. · 07-10-2010, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Oh for heavens sake. If you can't take a bit of stick....

Not stick that's completely unrelated to the subject, no. My age has got nothing to do with the fact that I'm just as entitled to an opinion as you are, that's where the problem is.

Mystic Mock · 07-10-2010, 01:34 AM

it is getting annoying about the parent thing now.

but seriously the lefties that think murderers and pedophiles deserve to be living have killed this country.

Beastie · 07-10-2010, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by InOne

I doubt it. It's starts very early on, and they are driven to it by compulsions. Everyone has a choice but once you take that leap too far there is no stopping you.

Well okay then. Whatever.. sure they can be tested. But left in jail forever!

Kerry · 07-10-2010, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucy.

Not stick that's completely unrelated to the subject, no. My age has got nothing to do with the fact that I'm just as entitled to an opinion as you are, that's where the problem is.

OK sorry. Even as a 'non-parent' I think pedos need to be throttled. Better?

Tom4784 · 07-10-2010, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

It's annoying for those of us that are parents. I've not screamed at the report button yet though

Why? because we're not instantly agreeing with you? What's there to report? 'Oh they don't agree with me'.

Just because you're a parent doesn't make you any smarter or knowledgeable on the subject of the law system then anyone else. Lily is a parent and a very good one at that but in her posts she never shut anyone down because of it, she said her piece and let others speak.

Shutting people down using the mother card is denying them the right to debate whether you say it isn't or not.

Beastie · 07-10-2010, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

No it doesn't, at most sentences need to be made longer. The changes you've offered up would lead to the loss of thousands of innocent lives as it would result in anarchy where anyone could meld the law into what they need it to be to justify there crimes.

The law can NEVER be a shade of grey, if you can't see that then there's no point in continuing the conversation.

I agree but AT THE LEAST.

LIFE in Prison should mean LIFE!!

Lee. · 07-10-2010, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

It was a joke but it is seriously annoying, if you can't debate with someone without acting all superior saying that we don't know because we're not parents then you might as well leave as that's not a debate, try and actually argue the points instead of just going 'You're not a parent you don't understand'.

It's a cheap and annoying copout.

Dezzy, it really isn't about acting superior and it certainly isn't a copout.. As a mother, I would want anyone who seriously harmed my children dead. I can't help it, it's just how I feel. I think most, if not all parents would probably feel the same.

Tom4784 · 07-10-2010, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jedward fever

it is getting annoying about the parent thing now.

but seriously the lefties that think murderers and pedophiles deserve to be living have killed this country.

The country would just flourish if we murdered anyone suspected of being a criminal now wouldn't it?

InOne · 07-10-2010, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by thebeast

Well okay then. Whatever.. sure they can be tested. But left in jail forever!

I agree they should never be allowed back into society yes. But think we should make use of them to help other kids in the future.

Mystic Mock · 07-10-2010, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by thebeast

I agree but AT THE LEAST.

LIFE in Prison should mean LIFE!!

but it dosent thats why they should get the death penalty or have there hands chopped off.

Kerry · 07-10-2010, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Why? because we're not instantly agreeing with you? What's there to report? 'Oh they don't agree with me'.

Just because you're a parent doesn't make you any smarter or knowledgeable on the subject of the law system then anyone else. Lily is a parent and a very good one at that but in her posts she never shut anyone down because of it, she said her piece and let others speak.

Shutting people down using the mother card is denying them the right to debate whether you say it isn't or not.

I've not reported a thing

And I've not shut people out (LUCY included). I'm simply debating

Mystic Mock · 07-10-2010, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

The country would just flourish if we murdered anyone suspected of being a criminal now wouldn't it?

im on about ones that have been proven guilty.

Lucy. · 07-10-2010, 01:38 AM

I don't even understand why you'd want them dead. It's such a cop out, what if the child was murdered? Then the child and the murderer is dead and people start to forget about what that person did, least when their in jail it's not forgotton and their made to deal with it for the rest of their life. I agree sentences should mean life, but they shouldn't mean death.

Tom4784 · 07-10-2010, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jedward fever

but it dosent thats why they should get the death penalty or have there hands chopped off.

That'd make you as bad as the criminals. If you can't see that then there's no helping you.

InOne · 07-10-2010, 01:38 AM

What if one of your own kids became a Paedophile? Would you want them dead?

Lee. · 07-10-2010, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jedward fever

but it dosent thats why they should get the death penalty or have there hands chopped off.

...and/or their bollocks

Tom4784 · 07-10-2010, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jedward fever

im on about ones that have been proven guilty.

and what would that achieve? Capital Punishment has never had a positive effect on crime rates.

Mystic Mock · 07-10-2010, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by InOne

What if one of your own kids became a Paedophile? Would you want them dead?

thats personal but no.

Tom4784 · 07-10-2010, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucy.

I don't even understand why you'd want them dead. It's such a cop out, what if the child was murdered? Then the child and the murderer is dead and people start to forget about what that person did, least when their in jail it's not forgotton and their made to deal with it for the rest of their life. I agree sentences should mean life, but they shouldn't mean death.

I agree.

Beastie · 07-10-2010, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

The country would just flourish if we murdered anyone suspected of being a criminal now wouldn't it?

If the murderer is a murderer and is 100% PROVEN then I don't care if they are killed.

I think LIFE in prison for MOST offenders if the best option!!

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