[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kazanne

But when something terrible happens in your family,IT DOES.

By your logic, from what we know of each other (which is very little) then I should be the most knowledgeable in this subject because my family has been a victim of violent crime. Is that right? Or does that rule only apply to you?

It's a silly statement to make as well as hugely offensive and pretentious to all but yourself.

Originally Posted by angus58

Thanks for support Kazanne, but I'm not that concerned about the opinions of the sort of people who can show compassion and forgiveness towards scum who commit the vilest of crimes, but display none of those noble and moralistic attitudes towards the victims' parents/families who quite rightly demand proper and equitable justice. Most of the time they fail to get justice because of the perverse concern for the rights, feelings and sensibilities of the criminal; rights which are placed above the rights of parents/families to see justice done. When it isn't done, it is like that child or loved one's life is diminished and less worthy than that of the person who took it. I don't find their attitude noble, moral or progressive, but just plain misguided and self indulgent.

The Human Rights Legislation is hugely flawed because as far as I'm concerned rights are not God given, they are commensurate with responsibilities towards humanity. If criminals choose to break the law to harm others, they should lose the right to invoke the law to protect themselves. You cannot have it both ways. The Act has been hugely abused by wrongdoers - what about a child's right to grow up in a society free of the risk of molestation, abuse, neglect and murder, and the right of a parent to see justice served on any scum who harmed their child?

I know a lot about how the victim's family feels in these situations Angus so I resent the first paragraph completely, just because I'm not bloodthirsty about it doesn't make me misguided. Violence won't heal a broken family and Capital Punishment will just lead to another family grieving and I wouldn't inflict that on my worst enemy. Revenge doesn't make the pain go away.

I agree that the Human Rights Legislation is flawed like all things in life but your solution isn't any better.