[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Josy

Repeatedly saying he agrees with other peoples posts, using foul language and describing how he would like to cut the hands off or murder the "b******s" is hardly constructive.

Are you saying that if I say I agree with him that because I say that I should be questioned as to whether I know him or not, what has that to do with the topic?

I can't see where there any laws against agreeing with people. Also I am not the only one to commend him,I take into account his age and also hearing some comments from othhers on here, he is far more easy to agree with than many.
He has strong views, most of the people I know and have around me are saying very much what he says.even stronger too.
I am afraid I don't get your point, I have not had any communications with you and I answered a personal question from InOne anyway.
I don't get your point.Sorry. However it seems simply that you do not agree with him and I do agree with him, and what on earth is wrong with either of those positions?

[InOne]

I just don't see any logic in what you're saying joey. It astounds me.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by happyland

Do you know what? life in jail AND lethal injection would be two good for those evil ****ers. They deserved to have been tortured and beaten every day all day for the rest of their lives!

I have got digitally enhanced photos of those two of how they might look like now,and sometimes I am VERY tempted to post them,but it wouldn't be fair on anyone looking remotely like them,but as i said it IS tempting.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by InOne

I just don't see any logic in what you're saying joey. It astounds me.

I answered your question,not because I had to but choose to, however, this thread started by Angus58, is a very important one with strong emotions on all sides of the debate.
It is not a place however for me to deal with personal questions to me,or respond to unfair attacks on me or general attacks as to what or whom I agree with.
If you have anything to say to me then please pm me,I will not be drawn into belittling this important thread,having to justify myself to anyone and I really don't see why I should have to anyway InOne.
Feel free to contact me via pm if you wish to say any more to me please.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I have got digitally enhanced photos of those two of how they might look like now,and sometimes I am VERY tempted to post them,but it wouldn't be fair on anyone looking remotely like them,but as i said it IS tempting.

It is clear this is a case very close to your heart kazanne, I believe,am I right that a paper wanted to do something like that a few years back but were stopped or advise at least not to by the Home office.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Niam,38 people COULD have helped save James that day,but didn't want to 'interfere' ,from lorry drivers to passers by,they are called The Liverpool 38,one woman even saw them and James in distress and unbelievably "Drew her curtains"a lorry driver saw them give him a "persuading" kick and NO ONE did anything.

oh fgs that is just terrible, I never knew any of that. jesus that had to be one of the most upsetting cases I've seen in my lifetime

[Angus]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I answered your question,not because I had to but choose to, however, this thread started by Angus58, is a very important one with strong emotions on all sides of the debate.
It is not a place however for me to deal with personal questions to me,or respond to unfair attacks on me or general attacks as to what or whom I agree with.
If you have anything to say to me then please pm me,I will not be drawn into belittling this important thread,having to justify myself to anyone and I really don't see why I should have to anyway InOne.
Feel free to contact me via pm if you wish to say any more to me please.

A far more dignified response than either InOne or Josy deserve! What is it with this forum that people think they have the right to question friendships with other FMs? It's intrusive and bloody rude. Fair enough to debate the topic in hand, but personal interactions between FMs should be respected. Is there any need for the snide digs and heckling? it's bordering on bullying.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is clear this is a case very close to your heart kazanne, I believe,am I right that a paper wanted to do something like that a few years back but were stopped or advise at least not to by the Home office.

The British press are not allowed to print any pictures of what they look like now(well we have to protect these barstewerts,don't we?).It was an American company who enhanced the photos,there is also one of James and how he would have looked now,and a very handsome chap he would have been.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

What sorts of psychologists were they? I thought that was just conjecture from the gutter press and politicians. It always seemed weird to me. The press wanted to have their cake and eat it. To have Venables held fully responsible for his own actions and for him to do time in an adult prison, but it also wanted to blame dumb horror/slasher movies and the way they influenced poor impressionable children, taking no account of the sort of fundamental parental neglect that leads somebody to act in such a way. The equivalent to blaming the Columbine Massacre on first-person shooter games.

Ironic then that the press may inadvertantly have gotten Venables a lighter sentence.

It WAS picked up by the press and they had a field day with it,but reports do say that they did watch horror movies,not just 'Childs Play' they also tortured animals,but I STILL do not believe the films were their motive,imo it was a cop out by those that hadn't got an answer,even Albert Kirby the detective at the time said the crime was horrendous,grown men were crying.And some people want these two perverts left in peace!!!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Josy

Repeatedly saying he agrees with other peoples posts, using foul language and describing how he would like to cut the hands off or murder the "b******s" is hardly constructive.

Have you come in here just to have a pop at Jedward or have you something to say on the subject?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Are you saying that if I say I agree with him that because I say that I should be questioned as to whether I know him or not, what has that to do with the topic?

I can't see where there any laws against agreeing with people. Also I am not the only one to commend him,I take into account his age and also hearing some comments from othhers on here, he is far more easy to agree with than many.
He has strong views, most of the people I know and have around me are saying very much what he says.even stronger too.
I am afraid I don't get your point, I have not had any communications with you and I answered a personal question from InOne anyway.
I don't get your point.Sorry. However it seems simply that you do not agree with him and I do agree with him, and what on earth is wrong with either of those positions?

I suggest you re read what I posted, I have no interest in wether you know jedward fever or not, I never once mentioned that I agree or disagree with him or that it was wrong of you to agree with him so I have no idea were that came from, what I did mean with my last post was that you keep posting how constructive, mature and well though out his posts have been in this thread, I disagree with this, I dont find his repetitive posts about how he would do this or that to certain people constructive in the slightest and if you have a problem with that then sorry but thats my opinion.

Originally Posted by angus58

A far more dignified response than either InOne or Josy deserve! What is it with this forum that people think they have the right to question friendships with other FMs? It's intrusive and bloody rude. Fair enough to debate the topic in hand, but personal interactions between FMs should be respected. Is there any need for the snide digs and heckling? it's bordering on bullying.

Not to be rude here Angus but who are you to tell anyone what kind of response I deserve? I never once mentioned joeysteele or jedward fevers friendship ANYWERE in my post, I was posting an opinion so in future try and read things properly before before being so "rude", im now bowing out of this thread as I wouldnt want anymore accusations of bias mods, protecting their own etc to ruin what has turned out to be a very interesting debate.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Josy

I suggest you re read what I posted, I have no interest in wether you know jedward fever or not, I never once mentioned that I agree or disagree with him or that it was wrong of you to agree with him so I have no idea were that came from, what I did mean with my last post was that you keep posting how constructive, mature and well though out his posts have been in this thread, I disagree with this, I dont find his repetitive posts about how he would do this or that to certain people constructive in the slightest and if you have a problem with that they sorry but thats my opinion.



Not to be rude here Angus but who are you to tell anyone what kind of response I deserve? I never once mentioned joeysteele or jedward fevers friendship ANYWERE in my post, I was posting an opinion so in future try and read things properly before before being so "rude", im now bowing out of this thread as I wouldnt want anymore accusations of bias mods, protecting thier own etc to ruin what has turned out to be a very interesting debate.

Yet you still felt the need to comment on Joeysteele's admiration of jedward fever. If that isn't rude and intrusive I don't know what is. Why not just address your disapproval of jedward fever's posting style to him directly? Oh, but wait, that would also be rude and intrusive since he is entitled to his opinions, and so long as he's not breaking any rules, he's entitled to express himself any which way he wants. I would also point out that my remarks were addressed to joeysteele and not to you and, as you say, if you are free to criticise other FMs indirectly, so am I.

[joeysteele]

Thak you very much indeed Angus58, I can't for the life of me see what I am doing wrong to get these unwarranted comments made to me in these posts but then I am very new to forums so don't understand the politics of it maybe.
Thank you Angus58 for your support, and between some and jedward fever, I know who I would rather deal with. Thank you very much again.
As I said though,anyone can pm me if they want to ask 'me' something, this thread is not the place.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Thak you very much indeed Angus58, I can't for the life of me see what I am doing wrong to get these unwarranted comments made to me in these posts but then I am very new to forums so don't understand the politics of it maybe.
Thank you Angus58 for your support, and between some and jedward fever, I know who I would rather deal with. Thank you very much again.
As I said though,anyone can pm me if they want to ask 'me' something, this thread is not the place.

I had this argument yesterday about the same thing. How on earth is it anybody else's business which FMs you get on with and why?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

The British press are not allowed to print any pictures of what they look like now(well we have to protect these barstewerts,don't we?).It was an American company who enhanced the photos,there is also one of James and how he would have looked now,and a very handsome chap he would have been.

I recalled reading that some had been done, I knew you would be able to clarify the matter.

It is the most horrible thing I read about,It was all just so horrific. Awful.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by angus58

I had this argument yesterday about the same thing. How on earth is it anybody else's business which FMs you get on with and why?

I thought that too, I will however continue to choose who I get on with and not have who I can get on with be dictated to me by others.

This thread has I have to say, opened a lot of people's eyes to the original issues you raised at the start, I had my reservations as to capital punishment, when this thread started,I started discussing with my Friends the James Bulger case and also child abuse in general, the emotions were amazing, everyone very strong in their opinions and many far more intolerant towards the abusers than even some of jedwards statements are.
It has changed my view considerably, your arguments, kazannes, jedwards and others, and even those I have mostly not agreed with have come up with some good points too.

I now believe the law needs to be massively changed, zero tolerance on this issue and if it is the best we can get as to sentencing the guilty,being life imprisonment then I am with those who advocate that abusers must never come back into society at all.

This really has been /is a truly brilliant and enlightening thread so massive congratulations to you for starting it off

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I have got digitally enhanced photos of those two of how they might look like now,and sometimes I am VERY tempted to post them,but it wouldn't be fair on anyone looking remotely like them,but as i said it IS tempting.

Yeah, I understand completely. My sister in law worked for the home office at the time of their release and although didn't deal with them directly, I think she dealt with some of the paperwork involved.. I remember thing WTF? when she was telling me the lengths that are gone to protect these animals.. their new locations, their new identities.. basically anything they want ! It's disgraceful.

Same goes for Baby P's mum! She should be released from prison into the hands of the public, not given the life of Riley at the hands of the taxpayer!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by happyland

Yeah, I understand completely. My sister in law worked for the home office at the time of their release and although didn't deal with them directly, I think she dealt with some of the paperwork involved.. I remember thing WTF? when she was telling me the lengths that are gone to protect these animals.. their new locations, their new identities.. basically anything they want ! It's disgraceful.

Same goes for Baby P's mum! She should be released from prison into the hands of the public, not given the life of Riley at the hands of the taxpayer!

You are correct,There is also so much protection for them,the abusers but so little support for the families of the children killed or traumatised by the abuse.

When you think how long ago the James Bulger murder was,that poor little lad,it was horrific. Yet still children are being abused, sexually abused and murdered,.

When are the lessons going to be really learned and then make sure as best as possible that it never happens again but much more to the point that once caught and found guilty at least those abusers 'never' ever get the chanvce to in any way harm a child again and there are only 2 ways to ensure that, capital punishment or when senteneced to life in prison, it is for the 'full' rest of their lives.Not just a few years.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You are correct,There is also so much protection for them,the abusers but so little support for the families of the children killed or traumatised by the abuse.

When you think how long ago the James Bulger murder was,that poor little lad,it was horrific. Yet still children are being abused, sexually abused and murdered,.

When are the lessons going to be really learned and then make sure as best as possible that it never happens again but much more to the point that once caught and found guilty at least those abusers 'never' ever get the chanvce to in any way harm a child again and there are only 2 ways to ensure that, capital punishment or when senteneced to life in prison, it is for the 'full' rest of their lives.Not just a few years.

Yeah, I agree entirely. There is no way that evil like that should be allowed to freely live amongst others!

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=Josy;3833584]I suggest you re read what I posted, I have no interest in wether you know jedward fever or not, I never once mentioned that I agree or disagree with him or that it was wrong of you to agree with him so I have no idea were that came from, what I did mean with my last post was that you keep posting how constructive, mature and well though out his posts have been in this thread, I disagree with this, I dont find his repetitive posts about how he would do this or that to certain people constructive in the slightest and if you have a problem with that then sorry but thats my opinion.



I respect all people even those I disagree with, you directly posted to me as to my support for someone else who posts on here.
I have no problem at all with you not finding another persons posts constructive. I also personally have no problem with you but it seems for some reason you have a problem with me. However that too is your right.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by happyland

Yeah, I understand completely. My sister in law worked for the home office at the time of their release and although didn't deal with them directly, I think she dealt with some of the paperwork involved.. I remember thing WTF? when she was telling me the lengths that are gone to protect these animals.. their new locations, their new identities.. basically anything they want ! It's disgraceful.

Same goes for Baby P's mum! She should be released from prison into the hands of the public, not given the life of Riley at the hands of the taxpayer!

The blame for this farcical justice system lies with the Labour Party who are also responsible for the introduction of the iniquitous Human Rights legislation gleefully being exploited by every criminal, terrorist and illegal immigrant. Now we have the libdems putting a spanner in the works to try and prevent its repeal.

[joeysteele]

I think the human rights act needs to be repealed for the UK too or at least completely re-drafted.
These things that change the constitution of a Nation or its current rulings,should only be implemented after asking the people in a referendum,I don't get why the question 'should we re-negotiate the human rights act' cannot be asked to the people of the UK in a referendum, if the people then will it so, then the EU would have to at least go some way to appeasing that view.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by happyland

Yeah, I agree entirely. There is no way that evil like that should be allowed to freely live amongst others!

Evil,is a word that gets misused a lot and I rarely use it but considering all the issues as to sexually abusing a child I have to say that it is really the only word that fits these crimes.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by angus58

The blame for this farcical justice system lies with the Labour Party who are also responsible for the introduction of the iniquitous Human Rights legislation gleefully being exploited by every criminal, terrorist and illegal immigrant. Now we have the libdems putting a spanner in the works to try and prevent its repeal.

Did you know Angus,Michael Howard wanted Jamess' killers to get at least 15 years then it was taken to the court of European Rights and Jack Straw agreed to drop the sentence to 8 years as it was said they were tried unfairly!!!!One was sent to Barton Moss secure centre the other somewhere else.They are NOT being monitored properly as one of the conditions of them being set free was to never set foot in Liverpool again,and Thompson clearly has as he was seen,one day I hope their luck runs out,they say the devil looks after his own,he is certainly looking after them,but i believe in karma ,so I can wait!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by happyland

Yeah, I understand completely. My sister in law worked for the home office at the time of their release and although didn't deal with them directly, I think she dealt with some of the paperwork involved.. I remember thing WTF? when she was telling me the lengths that are gone to protect these animals.. their new locations, their new identities.. basically anything they want ! It's disgraceful.

Same goes for Baby P's mum! She should be released from prison into the hands of the public, not given the life of Riley at the hands of the taxpayer!

She will be out in a couple of years with everything she needs,new house,car and identity,makes a sane person mad!!