[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Stephanie

pixie hasn't performed on the x factor yet though.. and quite a few of her songs havn't charted high.

thats know excuse for doing bad.

[cub]

Pixie Lott is a very different artist to Joe.

Remember Joe was on a programme last week that gets 11-12 million viewers. This was his first single after a year away. He's on a very 'unforgiving' record label that drops as many artists as it signs.

Pixie is more in control of her music - she's a history of successful songs already (her first two were no. 1s), she writes her own stuff and has a fanbase. He current single is just off a reactivated album (which should storm back into the chart).

I like Joe and I'm not celebrating his failure but that's how it will be seen. If his album doesn't get to no. 1 and stick around the chart for more than a couple of weeks .... well, ask Leon Jackson.

[joeysteele]

I think he'd have done better this time wit a ballad again, Joe had a lot of people singing his praises and also who bought THE CLIMB who were not regular cd buyers but bought what they liked.
This new single almost a year after the first(which I think is another problem too,releases should be quicker than that)is vastly different to THE CLIMB, also Simon Cowell has had X factor running up to Christmas for the reason sales are higher then.

This saddling an artiste with a number one record at first that MUST be followed by another number one or its a flop even if its in the top 10 puts an artificial take on how well an act may do long term.

If I was a singer and my records made the top 10, even never getting a number one ever, then I would be over the moon, many long running acts have never had a number one record and also had varying placings in the charts.

One notable one, is a great group that started in the 60s and had decades of hits, namely the WHO, yet as I was looking back over their chart history, placings were all over the place,and they never ever got to number one with any single.

[Z]

Joe has the support of Cheryl though, so I think he'll get more of a chance than Leon ever did to get it right. The song was rubbish though, it's just this wall of high pitched noise and the video tries to hide that with a lot of cheesy dancing. He's actually a very good singer, and although I was never really a fan of him on the show, he was by far the deserving winner. He'll maybe do better with the second single off the album.

[cub]

If Joe had come back with a ballad, people would have said 'He should have come back with an upbeat dance track - this is the same as the last one'.

Joe's been away for a year. This past year he's been working away in the studio with people (managers producers, etc) telling him he needs to come back with a major impact. Something so good and different that it, and his appearance on the X Factor - seen by millions - will sell by the bucketload.

What happens? He comes back with a cover and it limps in the chart at no. 6.

[Scarlett.]

Everyone knew he'd flop, there's nothing "stand out" about him

[Captain.Remy]

Olly would have been so much better. I'm not being mean to Joe (because I've been enough in the past) but he has got nothing special to stand out from the crowd. He's just...a random singer.

[cub]

The issue is NOT the quality of the winner or the song. The problem is the almost a year's wait to get the first album out.

Pop music is immediate. That means it's immediate successful and immediately forgettable.

They need to prepare a bare bones album of about eight new songs and then record the winning act vocal on top with a few extra songs from the best performances from the show.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

yeah and olly cant sing,he isnt a good performer and he does ****** dancing.

I don't find Olly good either, I wasn't keen on his X Factor performances either.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by cub

The issue is NOT the quality of the winner or the song. The problem is the almost a year's wait to get the first album out.

Pop music is immediate. That means it's immediate successful and immediately forgettable.

They need to prepare a bare bones album of about eight new songs and then record the winning act vocal on top with a few extra songs from the best performances from the show.

Totally agree with this, far too long to wait over 8 months for a follow up to a number one single. Such a long delay for an album also is rediculous.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Stacey was another Leona, really...so there was no point in her winning

never compare stacey with leona!!
have you hear staceys voice, and her vocal range she was crap!

[MeMyselfAndI]

no stupid excuses. Alexandra came back with a up beat song, she got #1 and sold loads

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfandI

no stupid excuses. Alexandra came back with a up beat song, she got #1 and sold loads

her album did **** though.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Smithy

That isn't necessarily a bad thing, she's done well, and her new album is meant to be all uptempo and stuff, plus Stacey had a personality, which as you keep banging on about it oh so important

lol but did you hear staceys voice. By another Leona im sure jack meant singing ballads.. not by the sound of her voice lol. Staceys voice is awful in comparision.

And Leona sings up tempo too

Outta My Head, Forgive Me, Whatever It Takes

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

her album did **** though.

her album platinumed over 600,000 sales thats not ****. Thats really good, but people compare her to leona who sold over 7 million albums which is not fair on alexandra really. im sure joe wont sell more than 600,000 or platnum and i like joe

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

her album did **** though.

Wikipedia
The album debuted at #1 in the UK Albums Chart, selling 132,000 copies in its first week, the fourth biggest opening sales figures for a female artist in 2009. In addition to the album being certified Platinum in the UK following its first three weeks of release, it also spawned four successful singles including her platinum selling X Factor winner's single "Hallelujah". The lead single "Bad Boys" entered the UK Singles Chart and the Irish Singles Chart at #1 and was certified Platinum in the UK. It was also nominated for British Single at the 2010 BRIT Awards. The follow up singles "Broken Heels" and "All Night Long" also fared well, charting in the top-ten of the UK and the Irish Singles Chart. The lead single of the repackaged edition of the album, Start Without You debuted at #1, becoming her 5th number-one single. The song entered the Irish Singles Chart at #5. The album was nominated for Best Album 2010 at the Urban Music Awards.[13] To date Overcome has sold 700,000 copies in the UK

[Tom]

Originally Posted by cub

The issue is NOT the quality of the winner or the song. The problem is the almost a year's wait to get the first album out.

Pop music is immediate. That means it's immediate successful and immediately forgettable.

They need to prepare a bare bones album of about eight new songs and then record the winning act vocal on top with a few extra songs from the best performances from the show.

Leona & Alexandra are doing fine after waiting that long

[Jevans]

Stacey didn't release that song for personal gain. It was for charity, also its a cover of an old song which wouldn't make into the charts these days. Even though its miles better then some **** in the charts these days

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Wikipedia
The album debuted at #1 in the UK Albums Chart, selling 132,000 copies in its first week, the fourth biggest opening sales figures for a female artist in 2009. In addition to the album being certified Platinum in the UK following its first three weeks of release, it also spawned four successful singles including her platinum selling X Factor winner's single "Hallelujah". The lead single "Bad Boys" entered the UK Singles Chart and the Irish Singles Chart at #1 and was certified Platinum in the UK. It was also nominated for British Single at the 2010 BRIT Awards. The follow up singles "Broken Heels" and "All Night Long" also fared well, charting in the top-ten of the UK and the Irish Singles Chart. The lead single of the repackaged edition of the album, Start Without You debuted at #1, becoming her 5th number-one single. The song entered the Irish Singles Chart at #5. The album was nominated for Best Album 2010 at the Urban Music Awards.[13] To date Overcome has sold 700,000 copies in the UK

and then a week later the album dropped to number 7 and the next week dropped out of the top 10 in the uk.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfandI

lol but did you hear staceys voice. By another Leona im sure jack meant singing ballads.. not by the sound of her voice lol. Staceys voice is awful in comparision.

And Leona sings up tempo too

Outta My Head, Forgive Me, Whatever It Takes

Why are you quoting me from yesterday

Stacey's voice isn't awful at all, she wouldn't have made it to the final if it was. They have completely different voices and have different niches in the market

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

and then a week later the album dropped to number 7 and the next week dropped out of the top 10 in the uk.

Im not even bothered enough to go checking facts and figures week by week. But if youre implying that Alex has been any kind of flop then youre being pretty ignorant.

Firstly, she's just had her 5th No1. And if you think an album sells over 700k by plummeting down the charts after one week then I just give up.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Im not even bothered enough to go checking facts and figures week by week. But if youre implying that Alex has been any kind of flop then youre being pretty ignorant.

Firstly, she's just had her 5th No1. And if you think an album sells over 700k by plummeting down the charts after one week then I just give up.

5th?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Im not even bothered enough to go checking facts and figures week by week. But if youre implying that Alex has been any kind of flop then youre being pretty ignorant.

Firstly, she's just had her 5th No1. And if you think an album sells over 700k by plummeting down the charts after one week then I just give up.

albums are the most important thing to sell,and if you dont your screwed and thats why shes got most of her singles released off her album.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

albums are the most important thing to sell,and if you dont your screwed and thats why shes got most of her singles released off her album.

Hello. Her album has sold plenty. Plz register and process this fact.

700k is no flop, honey.

Jedward would do a Menendez on their parents for that figure.

[cub]

According to midweeks Joe has slipped to no. 17. This means he could well be out of the top twenty by the end of the week.