[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

Might I just agree here with the fact that the Mensa connection is a total red herring?

I have taught at one of our most established and sought after universities and Mario is clearly NOT someone who has the intellect (or grasp of the subtleties of English) to gain a place in a similar institution and would clearly not be able to equal Ben's good degree in a solid academic subject from St Andrew's ... it is rather ludicrous to perpetuate this myth that Mario is 'more intellectual' than Ben ... anyone who listened to any of their exchanges in the house is well aware that this is a complete falsehood ... I think it is time to establish that Ben is both more successful in his educational history AND in the way he handles 'real life' and the demands of the media ... to infer that the situation is other than this is patently absurd ... his verbal dexterity, wit and brilliance is no small component in the patchwork of qualities that makes Ben's fans so devoted ... most of us do rather enjoy bright and entertaining people when we see them ... and maybe we would like to see more characters like Ben ... we can't let Stephen Fry corner the market in benevolent and witty eccentricity!

I personally am no fan of S. Fry. Arrogant, pompus ignoramous of a man - and I find him not so witty.

Mensa membership really is a testament to academia only. It means sweet FA in the real world that we all live in. I agree with you UV that to perpetuate that being a Mensa member is anything upon which to compare people, it's a very blinded perception.

One can be highly intellegent on the academic scale but be the most loathsome person, with questionable morals, low standards and utterly lacking in the necessary skills to get on in life, socially, emotionally and psychologically. I feel Mario to be one of these, and in direct comparison - the polar opposite to Ben - which for all the reasons you have given about Ben's character - explains very clearly why Ben is finding far more popularity and is finding he his in demand more than Mario.

[Suze]

I don't begrudge any of the ex housemates success in media jobs if they can manage it. But the difference between Ben and Mario is that Ben was already doing media work before BB, and hopefully achieved a boost in that now Although he himself stressed concerns that BB might hinder rather than help in that area. So I can understand why Ben is more sought after than a few of the ex BB 11 housemates as he has the charm and ability for media work, especially radio, he has the charm and voice and the abilities needed for a radio show and he loves his music

Mario on the other hand was jobless before BB wasn't he? Has no real media skills to build on, but seems to expect everything to fall in his lap anyway.

As much as I dislike Mario's personality, good on him if he can achieve his dreams or some of them, and if he lightened up on his asttitude, acknowledged his own faults and took faults in others for what they are, he is likely to endear himself to others more, especially in the media world, which should go a fair way to helping any career opportunities that come his way. Because at the moment he doesn't seem to be doing much apart from tweeting and posting some nastiness at others and not expecting retorts and even encouraging moleholers to follow his suit.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I personally am no fan of S. Fry. Arrogant, pompus ignoramous of a man - and I find him not so witty.

Mensa membership really is a testament to academia only. It means sweet FA in the real world that we all live in. I agree with you UV that to perpetuate that being a Mensa member is anything upon which to compare people, it's a very blinded perception.

One can be highly intellegent on the academic scale but be the most loathsome person, with questionable morals, low standards and utterly lacking in the necessary skills to get on in life, socially, emotionally and psychologically. I feel Mario to be one of these, and in direct comparison - the polar opposite to Ben - which for all the reasons you have given about Ben's character - explains very clearly why Ben is finding far more popularity and is finding he his in demand more than Mario.

Yes ... a lot of people have gone off Stephen Fry ... especially recently ...

My point again is that Mensa has NOTHING to do with academic intelligence which normally relates to an understanding of ideas (rather than tricks and puzzles) and the verbal facility with which to argue them ... a Mensa test consists of mental challenges which quite young children with a particular mindset can often perform fairly well ... it measures nothing other than whether the candidate has this particular mindset ... the value of these tests has long been discredited and has absolutely no relation to anything which can be described as 'academia' ... they are simply an irrelevancy ... they measure nothing other than whether the candidate is any good at a particular sort of test ... in the academic world it is the ability to communicate and convince with ones argument that matters ... and those that get exceptional degrees often argue along very original lines and have the intellect to back this up with reasoned analysis ... Ben and Mario ... now which one came up with the REALLY original ideas ... (and I am NOT talking about extra terrestrial activity in this instance ... )

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Suze

I don't begrudge any of the ex housemates success in media jobs if they can manage it. But the difference between Ben and Mario is that Ben was already doing media work before BB, and hopefully achieved a boost in that now Although he himself stressed concerns that BB might hinder rather than help in that area. So I can understand why Ben is more sought after than a few of the ex BB 11 housemates as he has the charm and ability for media work, especially radio, he has the charm and voice and the abilities needed for a radio show and he loves his music

Mario on the other hand was jobless before BB wasn't he? Has no real media skills to build on, but seems to expect everything to fall in his lap anyway.

As much as I dislike Mario's personality, good on him if he can achieve his dreams or some of them, and if he lightened up on his asttitude, acknowledged his own faults and took faults in others for what they are, he is likely to endear himself to others more, especially in the media world, which should go a fair way to helping any career opportunities that come his way. Because at the moment he doesn't seem to be doing much apart from tweeting and posting some nastiness at others and not expecting retorts and even encouraging moleholers to follow his suit.

Correct, Ben was and being in BB, and the manner in which he has conducted himself since the show, will stand him in good stead for futhering his career. Something that Mario appears to be floundering with - in getting a career to start off with. The manner in which Mario is now conducting himself bodes not well - on many levels.

[Truth Teller]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Unsurprisingly, I do agree with you and I saw exactly the same traits in Mario as you have explained above.

it did very much appear that Mario was, on the surface, a wonderful friend, there for a shoulder to cry on when necessary - for Ben and others. But it appears to me,that this is Mario's way of trying to forge a bond with the said person: in an attempt to lull them into a false sense of security - with Mario's ultimate goal being to befriend them, to then try to seduce them. When the person - Ben in this case - realised that, when it was clear why Mario appeared to be a friend, for all the wrong reasons - Ben distanced himself. In my view: quite correctly too.

Mario has clearly had less favour and less support since BB ended. That is very obvious.

it is also obvious that Mario puts himself on a pedastal -as shown on BB when he was nominated for eviction - and in his actions and words during his temper tantrum that, 'he deserved to be there more than anyone else' (How he figured that one out, christ knows!).

Ben has not had to resort to joining twitter in an effort to build up a fan base. Indeed, to the contrary, that goes against he grain with Ben. He doesn't have to resort to self publicity - Ben merely being Ben is enough to garner support.

That I think is one of the more crucial reasons that Mario is jealous. Ben actually is carrying on with his life as it was before BB. Opportunities are coming his way naturally, given his talents, and those opportunites are happening, without Ben having to spend hours and hours online promoting himself.

I can understand Mario's envy but he must also appreciate that he and Ben are at totally opposite ends of the spectrum. That alone will dictate much to who will be more favourable - not only to fans, but in the media word, and for being in demand with various meda sources.

Much relies on how one conducts themselves. In this sense, Ben has conducted himself with dignity and aplomb since leaving the BB house. The same cannot be said for Mario,. this being the same person who tried to promote a 'supposed' Charity donations, when in fact, it was for nothing more than 'fans' to donat to him, to allow him to buy a Ł7k+ mechanical parrot, with a tiny amount going to charity. That shows the depths to which Mario has to lower himself, to gain some form of publicity. Unfortunately, bad publicity is exactly that - are those who are savvy in the media world - will not welcome Mario. That's the reality of the situation.

Agree. Ben has also never been rude about other BB housemates supporters or encouraged them to freely attack other fans. He has held up his dignity both in and out of the house.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Thnak you Pyramid,and also it will be no surprise to anyone to find I agree with your comments too.

What is gratifying, likely for both of us and also the many other Ben fans is that we state only facts,there is not a single statement of invention in what we have said.

That is the major difference between Ben supporters and Mario's.Oh and indeed between Ben and Mario themselves too.

I agree. The great thing about debating is actually sticking to facts to demonstrate your view - mario making personal insults to thousands of of BB housemates supporters without facts and encouraging this behaviour of others sums up his behaviour in the house too. When Ben tried to discuss issues with him he would insult or ignore him rather than have a rational conversation based on facts.

Originally Posted by Suze

I don't begrudge any of the ex housemates success in media jobs if they can manage it. But the difference between Ben and Mario is that Ben was already doing media work before BB, and hopefully achieved a boost in that now Although he himself stressed concerns that BB might hinder rather than help in that area. So I can understand why Ben is more sought after than a few of the ex BB 11 housemates as he has the charm and ability for media work, especially radio, he has the charm and voice and the abilities needed for a radio show and he loves his music

Mario on the other hand was jobless before BB wasn't he? Has no real media skills to build on, but seems to expect everything to fall in his lap anyway.

As much as I dislike Mario's personality, good on him if he can achieve his dreams or some of them, and if he lightened up on his asttitude, acknowledged his own faults and took faults in others for what they are, he is likely to endear himself to others more, especially in the media world, which should go a fair way to helping any career opportunities that come his way. Because at the moment he doesn't seem to be doing much apart from tweeting and posting some nastiness at others and not expecting retorts and even encouraging moleholers to follow his suit.

I agree. I think all BB housemates should take advantage of their time in the house and wouldn't begrudge anyone success. However, you are dealing with the public and how you conduct yourself will have an impact.

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The thread asks, is Mario jealous of Ben? It is clear he is because he is so bitter about someone he once claimed to be near besotted with, he showed he was a totally false person by the way he turned on BEN once he finally realised that Ben had not the slightest physical interest in him.

It will infuriate Mario that BEN remains so popular, all Mario did was lust after Ben making all sorts of innuendo's,then he did the same with Andrew.
Mario was like a leech,he liked BEN in bother in the house because he could be the shoulder for BEN to lean on,thereby getting physically close to him.

If anyone is obsessed with sexualities then it is Mario himself,he has shown how rotten he is by his vicious and bitter put downs of BEN, so of course he is jealous of BEN.

It is a fact that Mario is untrustworthty in friendship unless you do 'all' he wants you to.
Because of his nastiness to BEN it is natural those who came to like BEN and care about him will race in and defend him. The fact Mario supporters get so worked up is because they have no argument to make, they are defending the indefensible.So in the end they attack the BEN supporters for defending BEN.

Defending BEN however,is easy to do since he kept his dignity and integrity intact all through the time in the house and since leaving it too. He would not lower himself to make the bitter twisted comments Mario is now making about him.

How amazing then that Mario fans cannot see that virtue in BEN but can try to invent any kind of virtue in Mario.

well unsurprisingly I couldn't disagree more.
Mario liked Ben, he saw him as a polite soft spoken person who didn't argue, he didn't see the bitchy nasty side of Ben until after he had left the house, he could only see the full extent of his bitchiness after he had left the show so that's why before he left he still thought kindly of Ben, only after did he realise what a mistake he had make in assuming Ben was a kind person.
Everyone of you would be hurt if you discovered someone you thought of as a friend was slagging you off behind your back, Mario's reaction to Ben after finding out about him was to distance himself from Ben refuse to comment about him and no longer wish to be his friend, all understandable reactions.

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Unsurprisingly, I do agree with you and I saw exactly the same traits in Mario as you have explained above.

it did very much appear that Mario was, on the surface, a wonderful friend, there for a shoulder to cry on when necessary - for Ben and others. But it appears to me,that this is Mario's way of trying to forge a bond with the said person: in an attempt to lull them into a false sense of security - with Mario's ultimate goal being to befriend them, to then try to seduce them. When the person - Ben in this case - realised that, when it was clear why Mario appeared to be a friend, for all the wrong reasons - Ben distanced himself. In my view: quite correctly too.

Mario has clearly had less favour and less support since BB ended. That is very obvious.

it is also obvious that Mario puts himself on a pedastal -as shown on BB when he was nominated for eviction - and in his actions and words during his temper tantrum that, 'he deserved to be there more than anyone else' (How he figured that one out, christ knows!).

Ben has not had to resort to joining twitter in an effort to build up a fan base. Indeed, to the contrary, that goes against he grain with Ben. He doesn't have to resort to self publicity - Ben merely being Ben is enough to garner support.

That I think is one of the more crucial reasons that Mario is jealous. Ben actually is carrying on with his life as it was before BB. Opportunities are coming his way naturally, given his talents, and those opportunites are happening, without Ben having to spend hours and hours online promoting himself.

I can understand Mario's envy but he must also appreciate that he and Ben are at totally opposite ends of the spectrum. That alone will dictate much to who will be more favourable - not only to fans, but in the media word, and for being in demand with various meda sources.

Much relies on how one conducts themselves. In this sense, Ben has conducted himself with dignity and aplomb since leaving the BB house. The same cannot be said for Mario,. this being the same person who tried to promote a 'supposed' Charity donations, when in fact, it was for nothing more than 'fans' to donat to him, to allow him to buy a Ł7k+ mechanical parrot, with a tiny amount going to charity. That shows the depths to which Mario has to lower himself, to gain some form of publicity. Unfortunately, bad publicity is exactly that - are those who are savvy in the media world - will not welcome Mario. That's the reality of the situation.

Mario was a shoulder to cry on for many in the house literally are you suggesting he wanted to get into Dave, Sunshine's and corins pants too?
Mario is a sweet person, he is often comforting strangers on twitter , fans who have had a bereavement, or a fight with a loved one he always takes time out to give a few words of comfort and support because that's the person he is.

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by Truth Teller

Agree. Ben has also never been rude about other BB housemates supporters or encouraged them to freely attack other fans. He has held up his dignity both in and out of the house.





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neither has mario

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lauraC

well unsurprisingly I couldn't disagree more.
Mario liked Ben, he saw him as a polite soft spoken person who didn't argue, he didn't see the bitchy nasty side of ben until after he had left the house, he could only see the full extent of his bitchyness after he had left the show so that's why before he left he still thought kindly of ben, only after did he realise what a mistake he had make in assuming ben was a kind person.
Everyone of you would be hurt if you discovered someone you thought of as a friend was slagging you off behind your back, mario's reaction to ben after finding out about him was to distance himself from ben refuse to comment about him and no longer wish to be his friend, all understandable reactions.

Have you considered the point I have highlighted to be pertinant...that THAT is exactly why Mario liked Ben......ie: that therefore Mario would be the stronger person if he befriended someone who did not argue, and that Mario would feel 'in control' over the other person.

Mario did not like it when Ben found his voice. And a voice that said Mario was not what he appeared initially to be. Funnily enough: he did exactly the same with young Andrew - Mario almost jumped on top of him when Andrew entered the house.

As for 'friends slagging off each other'.

They were not friends, not in the traditional sense, and never would be.

They were housemates, thrown together in a false environment, thus housemates forged alliances, they didn't forge lifetime friendships.

That was and is Mario's mistake. He appeared and still appears to think that a forged alliance in a very false and temporary environment equates to long lasting eternal friendship after everyone returned to reality again.

To be perfectly honest, I think there is part of my that pities Mario, if he should need to rely on buiding friends in a very false environment. Isn't he able to build friends, and enough friends in real life - that he has to be so wrapped up in an 'acquanitance made through necessity on a tv reality show'. ??

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Have you considered the point I have highlighted to be pertinant...that THAT is exactly why Mario liked Ben......ie: that therefore Mario would be the stronger person if he befriended someone who did not argue, and that Mario would feel 'in control' over the other person.

Mario did not like it when Ben found his voice. And a voice that said Mario was not what he appeared initially to be. Funnily enough: he did exactly the same with young Andrew - Mario almost jumped on top of him when Andrew entered the house.

As for 'friends slagging off each other'.

They were not friends, not in the traditional sense, and never would be.

They were housemates, thrown together in a false environment, thus housemates forged alliances, they didn't forge lifetime friendships.

That was and is Mario's mistake. He appeared and still appears to think that a forged alliance in a very false and temporary environment equates to long lasting eternal friendship after everyone returned to reality again.

To be perfectly honest, I think there is part of my that pities Mario, if he should need to rely on buiding friends in a very false environment. Isn't he able to build friends, and enough friends in real life - that he has to be so wrapped up in an 'acquanitance made through necessity on a tv reality show'. ??

I think Mario thought he found a kindred spirit, mario also doesn't argue, he never raised his voice in the house at another person.
How wrong he was though.
You pity Mario for respecting people? I pity Ben for having no respect for people who love and care for him

[Truth Teller]

Originally Posted by lauraC

well unsurprisingly I couldn't disagree more.
Mario liked Ben, he saw him as a polite soft spoken person who didn't argue, he didn't see the bitchy nasty side of ben until after he had left the house, he could only see the full extent of his bitchyness after he had left the show so that's why before he left he still thought kindly of ben, only after did he realise what a mistake he had make in assuming ben was a kind person.
Everyone of you would be hurt if you discovered someone you thought of as a friend was slagging you off behind your back, mario's reaction to ben after finding out about him was to distance himself from ben refuse to comment about him and no longer wish to be his friend, all understandable reactions.

If that is how Mario feels outside the house that is his perogative. However, the BB house is an artificial environment and Ben had his reasons/was provoked for how he felt in the house and you don't nominate your friends. When Ben tried many many times to discuss with mario in BB he would get the silent treatment or rude remarks. When Ben left he forgave Mario for all the things he did to him/said to him and on re-entering apologised to mario for things he had said in the house. Since BB finished, Ben has never said anything about Mario outside that was unkind, nasty or rude - he has been nothing but pleasant.

For Mario to hold a grudge about things said in an arificial environment says it all. Other housemates were far far more unplesant and unkind to Mario in the house - yet they are forgiven? - only Ben is singled out for unforgiveness. This bodes the question why? I feel there is more to it than what you have said or meets the eye and Mario is possibly being untruthful as to why Ben has been singled out by him - that is what I think needs answering......

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lauraC

Mario was a shoulder to cry on for many in the house literally are you suggesting he wanted to get into Dave, Sunshine's and corins pants too?
Mario is a sweet person, he is often comforting strangers on twitter , fans who have had a bereavement, or a fight with a loved one he always takes time out to give a few words of comfort and support because that's the person he is.

Well he certainly tried to get into Ben's pants. And young Andrews. Mario was positively leering at young Andrew and couldn't get 'at him' quick enough the second Andrew entered the house. He then spent quite some time oogling and leering young Andrew - to the point that Mario sat back in a chair, enjoying watching every second of andrew disrobing in the garden (upon Mario's command to wring out the washing in his underwear).

I am quite sure Mario has shown decency and compassion to some. I have never denied he may have that ability. He also has brought about much of his own critisism - to the point that he hijacked Andrew's twitter account, posted very unsuitable comments on it - to the point that Andrew's mother had to publically intervene and reprimand Mario. As I recall, mario then actully had a few nasty comments for Andrew's mother - which were later deleted.

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by Truth Teller

If that is how Mario feels outside the house that is his perogative. However, the BB house is an artificial environment and Ben had his reasons/was provoked for how he felt in the house and you don't nominate your friends. When Ben tried many many times to discuss with mario in BB he would get the silent treatment or rude remarks. When Ben left he forgave Mario for all the things he did to him/said to him and on re-entering apologised to mario for things he had said in the house. Since BB finished, Ben has never said anything about Mario outside that was unkind, nasty or rude - he has been nothing but pleasant.

For Mario to hold a grudge about things said in an arificial environment says it all. Other housemates were far far more unplesant and unkind to Mario in the house - yet they are forgiven? - only Ben is singled out for unforgiveness. This bodes the question why? I feel there is more to it than what you have said or meets the eye and Mario is possibly being untruthful as to why Ben has been singled out by him - that is what I think needs answering......

Maro said ben has bitched about him out the house too, obviously we are not privvy to what extent to who and how bad this bitching was, if it was anything like he did in the house though, relentless and personal then we can't really blame mario for backing off can we?

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Well he certainly tried to get into Ben's pants. And young Andrews. Mario was positively leering at young Andrew and couldn't get 'at him' quick enough the second Andrew entered the house. He then spent quite some time oogling and leering young Andrew - to the point that Mario sat back in a chair, enjoying watching every second of andrew disrobing in the garden (upon Mario's command to wring out the washing in his underwear).

I am quite sure Mario has shown decency and compassion to some. I have never denied he may have that ability. He also has brought about much of his own critisism - to the point that he hijacked Andrew's twitter account, posted very unsuitable comments on it - to the point that Andrew's mother had to publically intervene and reprimand Mario. As I recall, mario then actully had a few nasty comments for Andrew's mother - which were later deleted.

Mario never tried to get into Andrews pants, he thought it was funny once when someone suggested he might like himin that way and quickly denied it and said he was like a brother to him.
Also Mario is a good looking man, Andrew is sweet but come on!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lauraC

I think Mario thought he found a kindred spirit, mario also doesn't argue, he never raised his voice in the house at another person.
How wrong he was though.
You pity Mario for respecting people? I pity Ben for having no respect for people who love and care for him

Mario didn't raise his voice at another person. so the night he sat upright in bed after being nominated - his ranting and raving about "I deserve to be here more than any of you, I've worked harder to get my place"... who exactly was he ranting at then????? Bearing in mind .... the nominations come from housemates. Who precisely was he talking to - who exactly was he referring to when he said these words? Oh... the housemates.. ie: other people.

you pity Ben for having no respect for people who love and care for him? If this you mean Mario.... If I was Ben, I wouldn't give a toss about Mario other.

Stalkers love and care for the object of their desire. Do you respect stalkers also then? Genuine question.

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Mario didn't raise his voice at another person. so the night he sat upright in bed after being nominated - his ranting and raving about "I deserve to be here more than any of you, I've worked harder to get my place"... who exactly was he ranting at then????? Bearing in mind .... the nominations come from housemates. Who precisely was he talking to - who exactly was he referring to when he said these words? Oh... the housemates.. ie: other people.

you pity Ben for having no respect for people who love and care for him? If this you mean Mario.... If I was Ben, I wouldn't give a toss about Mario other.

Stalkers love and care for the object of their desire. Do you respect stalkers also then? Genuine question.

you tell me?
That was directed at who specifically?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lauraC

Maro said ben has bitched about him out the house too, obviously we are not privvy to what extent to who and how bad this bitching was, if it was anything like he did in the house though, relentless and personal then we can't really blame mario for backing off can we?

So. Most people bitch. You are doing it now, so am I. It's part of life. It is how one deals with it that matters. It seems that Mario is not emotionally mature enough to realise that.

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

So. Most people bitch. You are doing it now, so am I. It's part of life. It is how one deals with it that matters. It seems that Mario is not emotionally mature enough to realise that.

I don't bitch about my friends and if i discovered anyone bitching about me i's tell them to F.Off, as most people would do

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lauraC

you tell me?
That was directed at who specifically?

I aske you the question - you stated that Mario never raised his voice to any people.

I proved you wrong. You know I am right.

so I will ask you again. when mario was having his rant at being nominated and saying he deserved his place in the house, more than 'any of you'... I ask you... WHO WAS HE RANTING AT.

Obviously the answer is : he was ranting at other people... the housemates. So your claim that he is this mild mannered wee soul, simply won't wash.

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I aske you the question - you stated that Mario never raised his voice to any people.

I proved you wrong. You know I am right.

so I will ask you again. when mario was having his rant at being nominated and saying he deserved his place in the house, more than 'any of you'... I ask you... WHO WAS HE RANTING AT.

Obviously the answer is : he was ranting at other people... the housemates. So your claim that he is this mild mannered wee soul, simply won't wash.

ok i'll answer the question, it was directed at no one it was just a rant

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lauraC

I don't bitch about my friends and if i discovered anyone bitching about me i's tell them to F.Off, as most people would do

Lovely.

That's the difference though. no one would have to resort to doing that with friends.

Mario and Ben were not friends in the traditional sense. A false enviroment, forged allegiances for the sake of a game show, does not forever friends make. That is the very big difference and one that Mario simply cannot comprehend. It's quite simplistic - and given Mario's supposely intellectual status as mentioned by you in the past - Id have thought it was a very easy thing for Mario to understand.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lauraC

ok i'll answer the question, it was directed at no one it was just a rant

so Mario has random rants, in a bedroom full of people, ranting about being nominated by the very same people who are in that same room who nominated him (the very subject of his rant) .... but wasn't actually meaning those people, he wasn't directing his shouting and ranting at them!!


ooookkkkkaaaaayyyyyy !!

On the aside: how do you know this for actual FACT. How do you KNOW he was directing this rant at no one in partcular, just randomly ranting. Please explain how you know this with absolute certainty?

[Truth Teller]

Originally Posted by lauraC

neither has mario

I have to say I disagree totally on this. The proe and facts are there both on another forum and twitter. You may be unaware of it but Mario has done this to non Mario fans.

Originally Posted by lauraC

I think Mario thought he found a kindred spirit, mario also doesn't argue, he never raised his voice in the house at another person.
How wrong he was though.
You pity Mario for respecting people? I pity Ben for having no respect for people who love and care for him

Ben never raised his voice in the house either and thought Mario was his friend until mario turned on him in BB for not reciprocating his advances - it is there to see in the HL show and LF. This was the turning point. Ben does respect people and cares for his friends. Not one single person outside the BB house who knows Ben has a bad word to say about him and all his friends love him. I am glad Mario has good friends too.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Well he certainly tried to get into Ben's pants. And young Andrews. Mario was positively leering at young Andrew and couldn't get 'at him' quick enough the second Andrew entered the house. He then spent quite some time oogling and leering young Andrew - to the point that Mario sat back in a chair, enjoying watching every second of andrew disrobing in the garden (upon Mario's command to wring out the washing in his underwear).

I am quite sure Mario has shown decency and compassion to some. I have never denied he may have that ability. He also has brought about much of his own critisism - to the point that he hijacked Andrew's twitter account, posted very unsuitable comments on it - to the point that Andrew's mother had to publically intervene and reprimand Mario. As I recall, mario then actully had a few nasty comments for Andrew's mother - which were later deleted.

I'm not on twitter so don't know anything about this - again this highlights mario's behaviour since leaving BB and how he has attacked invividuals personally.

Originally Posted by lauraC

Maro said ben has bitched about him out the house too, obviously we are not privvy to what extent to who and how bad this bitching was, if it was anything like he did in the house though, relentless and personal then we can't really blame mario for backing off can we?

Chinese whispers are never good for anyone. When Ben first left the house he was shocked and hurt when Davina showed him the mario nominated him. Just before the save and replace Mario had badgered Ben not to put him up if he won - Ben did not know he had nominated him at this time - Ben was quite upset about mario's two faced behaviour on leaving. He did spout some views at that time and after that said he forgave Mario and that was that. Considering Ben hardly talks to any ex housemates - I am surprised that Mario would allow this impression without back-up. Ben has moved on and as I say maybe Mario shoud do to. Unforgiveness causes bitterness and can eat away at someone. I would suggest that it may have been better for Mario to have asked Ben if what was said was true rather than believing tittle tattle and chinese whispers.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Truth Teller

I have to say I disagree totally on this. The proe and facts are there both on another forum and twitter. You may be unaware of it but Mario has done this to non Mario fans.

I'm not on twitter so don't know anything about this - again this highlights mario's behaviour since leaving BB and how he has attacked invividuals personally.



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Neither am I on twitter but given that Mario's twitter account is public and not protected - all of his comments are there for all to see. Including the unbelievable con / scam of him wanting fans to donate money to him so he could buy a 'Davina McCaw' mechanical parrot at the cost of many thousands of pounds - on the pretext of it raising money for charity - this was up, running and onlin before there was such an outcry at how disgraceful it was, that he took it off.

[Truth Teller]

Originally Posted by lauraC

I don't bitch about my friends and if i discovered anyone bitching about me i's tell them to F.Off, as most people would do

They really weren't friends once Ben spurned Mario's advances. That was the turning point in their whole relationship. The BB house is artificial; maybe only one or two will be friends 5 years from now.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Lovely.

That's the difference though. no one would have to resort to doing that with friends.

Mario and Ben were not friends in the traditional sense. A false enviroment, forged allegiances for the sake of a game show, does not forever friends make. That is the very big difference and one that Mario simply cannot comprehend. It's quite simplistic - and given Mario's supposely intellectual status as mentioned by you in the past - Id have thought it was a very easy thing for Mario to understand.

Agree it is artificial and when you look at Govan and Shabby and how they have got friendly with people they disliked in the house, were very nasty to and haven't carried what happened in the house outside it shows their maturity and understanding - that its only a gameshow and sadly mario hasn't moved on from this.