[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not a big cheryl fan? Whenever anyone criticizes ANYTHING about her, be it justified or not you are straight there.

...that's because I'm sick to death of seeing constant Cheryl hate threads on this forum every single day. There's never a break. Ever. The slightest thing she does and there's a thread made about it. Like I said, people act like she's a serial killer and after a while it really becomes tiresome. I am genuinely indifferent towards her - infact I've said in the past the panel would not be any different without her. And I would happily have her sacked in return for Sharon, who is miles better. I've said in the past that she's probably the least useful member of the panel, and still stand by that - but I defend her because the hate she constantly receives is so OTT, repetetive and often unnecessary.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I hardly think this is just a thread picking for the sake of it either, as quite a few cheryl fans have posted and admitted she was indeed in the wrong to do it at that time. I dont blame her for needing clarification on it, I would be the same if I thought someone had been slagging me off, but I would be bright enough to realize papers take most things out of context and not to bring it up infront of however many million people when I knew there was a chance of it being bollocks...

But like I said, when someone gives an interview to a paper - there's more chance of it being true. They can still take things out of context, yes, or the interviewee could be lying, but there is still more chance of it being true than if they just said 'a source told us'. In which case, before Wagner's explanation, she obviously thought there was a chance it was true, and, as a result - Wagner had been slagging her off to the nations press [millions of people], so she technically had every right to bring it up in front of millions of people.

And that's another thing - when she said she was 'proud of where she was from' and 'very grateful' for everything she has, she came across as very sincere and grateful for all of her success - something which her 'haters' often criticise her for not being.

[Stacey.]

I think it's true that he said it, he even said "oh I didn't realise that guy was a journalist" and I guess though if I was a Wagner fan I wouldn't be too happy about her saying it, like if it had have been Louis saying something about Cher for example, but I hope it doesn't do Wagner good, and that he goes tonight which I think is likely..

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But like I said, when someone gives an interview to a paper - there's more chance of it being true. They can still take things out of context, yes, or the interviewee could be lying, but there is still more chance of it being true than if they just said 'a source told us'. In which case, before Wagner's explanation, she obviously thought there was a chance it was true, and, as a result - Wagner had been slagging her off to the nations press [millions of people], so she technically had every right to bring it up in front of millions of people.

Yes, a chance.

She could have spoke to him before the show about it...and if it turned out that he did say anything of the sort, THEN make her little jibes...

[Zippy]

I think Cheryl knew for sure it was true or she would not have brought it up on TV.

He virtually confirmed it.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I think Cheryl knew for sure it was true or she would not have brought it up on TV.

He virtually confirmed it.

It's OK because Ashley is planning on coming to her rescue.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

It's OK because Ashley is planning on coming to her rescue.

Cheryl don't need no help. She's street innit.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

First BIB. Is she not a girl from a council estate? Was she not given a job in show business? Was she not lucky to be given that job?

Second BIB. See above.

The tone and context is key. We're lead to believe it was said in a degrading way but Wagner is trying to say he said it in a positive way. Otherwise that applies to most other people in showbiz.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

Cheryl gets by on her looks, thats it really.. she could have confronted Wagner backstage but the bint is unprofessional and his response left her looking stupid and will have secured Wagner more votes, so the smugness will be wiped off her and her puppet Cowell's face tonight.

Hello Alesha Dixon fan

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Tom

Hello Alesha Dixon fan

Hello, Alesha hasn't got on by her looks.. did you see Misteeq, they could all sing and MC.. plus they had some great Pop/R&B/Garage songs. Alesha is talented and can dance too as proven on SCD which she won.

[Zippy]

I like Cheryl and Alesha!

Cherylesha FTW.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

Hello, Alesha hasn't got on by her looks.. did you see Misteeq, they could all sing and MC.. plus they had some great Pop/R&B/Garage songs. Alesha is talented and can dance too as proven on SCD which she won.

I was referring more to Alesha replacing a well experienced judge on a dancing competition despite only having competed in one series of SCD. I wonder how she got that job? Her solo career is only doing well because of SCD exposure, her first attempt completely failed. I do like her though but the irony here is that Cheryl is trained in ballet and ballroom whilst Alesha is an infinitely better singer!!

[Mystic Mock]

some cheryl fans need to accept that cheryl is in the wrong here me thinks.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

if wagner goes tonight arrogance will not even be the word to describe her anymore

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

some cheryl fans need to accept that cheryl is in the wrong here me thinks.

No, Wagner fans need to accept that he started it in the first place by being a nasty bitch. Cheryl was just paying him back with a public bitchslap.

If he survives it will be a battle won. But he'll still lose the war as he's shown himself to be a mean nasty man. Which will affect his chances of making any career in showbiz. God knows he has no chance of chart success. lmao.

[Vicky.]

LOL Zippy. Do you honestly think that the only people who think cheryl was bang out of order last night are Wagner fans?!

[Mr XcX]

I hope Wagner is safe this week!

Fans need to accept Cheryl was just being Vile and Malicious!!!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zippy

No, Wagner fans need to accept that he started it in the first place by being a nasty bitch. Cheryl was just paying him back with a public bitchslap.

If he survives it will be a battle won. But he'll still lose the war as he's shown himself to be a mean nasty man. Which will affect his chances of making any career in showbiz. God knows he has no chance of chart success. lmao.

cheryl always says dont believe in the papers which she did without knowing 100% if he said it or not.

cheryl showed her true colours and was in the wrong.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

LOL Zippy. Do you honestly think that the only people who think cheryl was bang out of order last night are Wagner fans?!

No, Ive never said that.

I think its a valid point to say she was being unprofessional and it wasnt the right time or place. But TBF Cheryl has read a million bad things about herself many that are lies. She normally takes it in her stride. But I think this touched a nerve and made her particularly angry. So she went for payback.

It'll soon be forgotten like all these XF dramas are. New week, new drama.

[Vicky.]

I'd love to know how it touched a nerve though, I thought she was proud of her roots

I wonder why this one comment got to her so much when she reads bile spouted about her constantly :/

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I'd love to know how it touched a nerve though, I thought she was proud of her roots

I wonder why this one comment got to her so much when she reads bile spouted about her constantly :/

it was said in a degrading way if we're to believe the papers