[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Demographics have not a lot to do with it Prezzie, you need to brush up on your marketing background work. I believe one person was quoted as saying there was a niche for her..... one person. If demographics came into it, her marketing 'niche' would have voted for her - and they didn't - why? Because she did not appeal to the demographic base to which she was targeted on a large enough scale as far as majority demographics go.

You need to brush up on what I actually said, you know maybe in future actually read my posts? I said that the demographics of the voting audience would have considered her a 'niche' act which is evidenced by the voting and her placing, she had a strong fanbase that allowed her to get this far but not win because she didn't get enough support from the casual public. So far, So Diana Vickers. If she appeals to so many little like you say she would she'd have gone out in the first few weeks but she didn't. Although she wouldn't be considered 'niche' in the real world she was a niche act within a demographic that considers Simon Cowell a god of music and Leona lewis the second coming.

Originally Posted by Snowball

Her songs... oh, that's interesting. What songs have you heard her sing that she has written? I wait with baited interest. Oh wait... they'll all be rapping songs, absolutely no different from everything else that she sings, copying others in a sytle that's been around for around 40 years.

What songs have any of them done? Yours is a stupid argument here so I'll not waste another moment on it. What I will say is that her 'rapping songs' are what's currently popular at the moment, Look at what's making an impat on the charts, it's all Tinie Tempah, Tinchy Strider, Dizzee Rascal ETC Given that she emulates that style and that she's already piqued the interest of people like that and record bosses. She's pretty much a ready made package that just needs a bit of fine tuning and a good catchy debut song.

Originally Posted by Snowball

It is precisely public perception that will make or her break here, and as far as X Factor has gone, she lost. That's the bottom line - she didn't win. She might (along with all others who won't all win) get a recording contract, but mega stars a recording contract does not make.

The public are idiots and malleable, They might not like her but they're interested given the amount of media attention that surrounds her and at the end of the day all publicity is good publicity and as long as she has the media attention the sheeplike public will follow. Most pop acts are divisive but that works in their favour. It's better to stir strong emotions in the public whether positive or negative rather then by viewed apathetically. If you are hated you can turn it around but if no one cares it's hard to make them listen.

On the subject of winning.....Oh yes because Joe McElderry and Leon Jackson became international didn't they? Winning the X factor only guarantees you a contract, not success. It's rapidly becoming known that you have a better chance of forging a good career if you don't win. I'm not calling any X factor contestant a megastar but if you look at the big stars they're all divisive they've got as many haters as they do fans because they stir that emotion in people. The Winners fail because people like them but they are rarely seen with the same energy as the successful runners up. Look at Alexandra & JLS. It's the same here. Matt will probably win but it's One Direction & Cher that'll profit because people care enough about them to hate/love them and that's what really matters.

Originally Posted by Snowball

Please try to abstain from insulting a forum member for no other reason than that they simply disagree with you and provide their reasons why.

...Are you really trying your little mini mod act with me? I didn't insult you, I said that you were blinded by your hate so that you couldn't see any possible pros with Cher which is completely true, it's an insight into you, not an insult and if you can't see that then you have no business taking the highroad with anyone so drop your little mini mod act since it'll get you nowhere with me.

Originally Posted by Snowball

My perception appears to be a little more finely tuned in that I have seen 'girls' like this come and go - most going very quickly down the tubes - and a lot more so that you will have, seeing as I have an age advantage over you.

Oh you're playing the age card, I can play that too, you're out of touch with today's youth, you've shown as much because even Cher's haters know that she'll have some success and you don't think she will because I reckon you know very little about the genre she'll go into. So thanks for playing the age card, you've given me a point there.

Originally Posted by Snowball

As for votes only counting for the winner - funny, that's not what all the Cher fans have been saying on here week after week, when trying to muster up people to vote for her. So are you basically saying then, that every Cher fan on here who has acknowledged and made it clear that they have voted for her over the months have been fools in wasting their time and efforts in supporting Cher - because according to your words - they didn't need to vote?

Smart fans know that she only needed to get into the final, anyone who really thought she could win was delusional. The further you get into the competition obviously the better chance you have at a career afterwards. She only needed to get this far as evidenced by the interest from Will.I.Am and the obvious intrigue from Simon Cowell.