[InOne]

Those are your points, but we'll have to agree to disagree lol We'll only end up going round in circles. I was just letting you know the way the media works, take it how you want...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Those are your points, but we'll have to agree to disagree lol We'll only end up going round in circles. I was just letting you know the way the media works, take it how you want...

I think I'm pretty much long enough in the tooth to know how the media works.........

But yes we will have to agree to disagree.

[marney]

We have not got all the details of what went on seems a bit too cut and dry. We don't know if anyone else was involved and presumably they can t release CJ from bail until Monday.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

We have not got all the details of what went on seems a bit too cut and dry. We don't know if anyone else was involved and presumably they can t release CJ from bail until Monday.

You presume wrong Marney. CJ could remain under bail conditions until the VT court trial is underway - there have been previous murder cases where person A was arrested, released under bail - person B then arrested, charged, and not until the trial of person B was underway that person A was actually freed from bail.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6729723.stm

more info on wiki about that case.

[InOne]

Oh here we go...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by InOne

Oh here we go...

Sorry

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sorry

No not you lol The foamers going on about capital punishments with no valid reasons

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by InOne

No not you lol The foamers going on about capital punishments with no valid reasons

Oh right, thought it was cos I made that first post which pyramid and angus replied to

I remember this same debate going on for 20-odd pages or something on another thread

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Oh right, thought it was cos I made that first post which pyramid and angus replied to

I remember this same debate going on for 20-odd pages or something on another thread

Yeah lol I'd just be using the same arguments so can't be bothered getting into it

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

No not you lol The foamers going on about capital punishments with no valid reasons

Until you can add something constructive - why don't you give it a rest with your slagging off forum members - or is that as good as your discussion skills go? There are plenty of valid reasons that have been given. Fine if you don't agree, but quit with the sarcastic and very immature personal comments on people who are posting.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Until you can add something constructive - why don't you give it a rest with your slagging off forum members - or is that as good as your discussion skills go? There are plenty of valid reasons that have been given. Fine if you don't agree, but quit with the sarcastic and very immature personal comments on people who are posting.

Nothing is personal, I don't even know you. I've seen the way you 'debate' anyway. I've been through this argument countless times with members, it's boring.

[MTVN]

Well God forbid we treat prisoners as human beings, give them a meal every now and then and stop them being lynched by vigilante idiots once they have served their sentance and paid their debt to society.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well God forbid we treat prisoners as human beings, give them a meal every now and then and stop them being lynched by vigilante idiots once they have served their sentance and paid their debt to society.

They lost the right to be classed as human beings when they take another person's life.

Paid their debt to society? How do they pay that debt exactly? By having their every basic need attended to for years in prison? What about the debt of one life that is owed to the family of the person who's life they took away - as well as the untold suffering the family of the victim suffer until they die?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

They lost the right to be classed as human beings when they take another person's life.

Paid their debt to society? How do they pay that debt exactly? By having their every basic need attended to for years in prison? What about the debt of one life that is owed to the family of the person who's life they took away - as well as the untold suffering the family of the victim suffer until they die?

I dont want to get into a big debate over this but the first line is merely subject to opinion, I disagree myself

And I believe that serving a life sentance is paying your debt to society, I dont think lives should be counted as debts or should be traded. My idea of a justice system is to have a mix of reformation and retribution, but I think if we resort to killing someone then we become no better than those we seek to punish, we simply have different motives

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I dont want to get into a big debate over this but the first line is merely subject to opinion, I disagree myself

And I believe that serving a life sentance is paying your debt to society, I dont think lives should be counted as debts or should be traded. My idea of a justice system is to have a mix of reformation and retribution, but I think if we resort to killing someone then we become no better than those we seek to punish, we simply have different motives

You realise that in the UK, life sentence does not mean 'Life'.

I don't see why my taxes should be used to keep someone fed, clothed, put a roof over their head, et al - when they thought it acceptable to take another person's life. And then, once they've done their time: out they come, at the cost of millions, with new identities, given homes, kitted out, given jobs - again all at massive cost to the tax payer.

A life for a life. That's it in a nutshell. I'm not quite saying the vigilante route is the best - clearly and rationally it's not - but if true justice was served - there would be a quick end to it (and them).

Is my view an extreme one? Yes. Of course it is. But I still stand by it.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You realise that in the UK, life sentence does not mean 'Life'.

I don't see why my taxes should be used to keep someone fed, clothed, put a roof over their head, et al - when they thought it acceptable to take another person's life. And then, once they've done their time: out they come, at the cost of millions, with new identities, given homes, kitted out, given jobs - again all at massive cost to the tax payer.

A life for a life. That's it in a nutshell. I'm not quite saying the vigilante route is the best - clearly and rationally it's not - but if true justice was served - there would be a quick end to it (and them).

Is my view an extreme one? Yes. Of course it is. But I still stand by it.

Hate to be cliched and quote Ghandi but "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

And I do realise "life" doesnt mean life thankyou, I'm not an idiot

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

They lost the right to be classed as human beings when they take another person's life.

Paid their debt to society? How do they pay that debt exactly? By having their every basic need attended to for years in prison? What about the debt of one life that is owed to the family of the person who's life they took away - as well as the untold suffering the family of the victim suffer until they die?

Completely agree - how on earth anyone can seriously equate a few years in prison as sufficient punishment and redemption for taking another human being's LIFE is beyond me. No wonder society is down the plughole when you get mealy mouthed apologists telling the rest of us that murdering scum have "paid their debt to society"; murderers are hardly quaking in their boots for fear of any real retribution!

And for the record, YES I do resent even 1p of my taxes being spent to feed murderers, rapists and terrorists.

[InOne]

If someone killed a Paedophile cos they raped their daughter, do they deserve to die?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

If someone killed a Paedophile cos they raped their daughter, do they deserve to die?

In case it has escaped your attention: the discussion was being based around those who took another person's life. Murder, not rape.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

In case it has escaped your attention: the discussion was being based around those who took another person's life. Murder, not rape.

Read what I said

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Read what I said

My sincere apologies to you. I see what you are getting at.

Truthfully - I'd say no, and I would say that due to the circumstances.... but I see precisely where you are coming from on that one. It's actually a very good point.

From where I'm coming: I mean someone who simply commits murder out of being evil.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

My sincere apologies to you. I see what you are getting at.

Truthfully - I'd say no, and I would say that due to the circumstances.... but I see precisely where you are coming from on that one. It's actually a very good point.

From where I'm coming: I mean someone who simply commits murder out of being evil.

Some Travis Bickle type might get some sadistic pleasure out of something like that, and that is wrong in itself. Society can't be do or die cos in some cases they could get it wrong. And if you're wrongly accused you'll have that label on you no matter what.

[spitfire]

There's something not right about this whole case.
Hundred's of people go missing every year and never get as much media attention as this.
I think the full facts are being withheld.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by spitfire

There's something not right about this whole case.
Hundred's of people go missing every year and never get as much media attention as this.
I think the full facts are being withheld.

Exactly, something very odd. Little bits just seem to leak now and then.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Exactly, something very odd. Little bits just seem to leak now and then.

What I don't get is..... those who know the area, live there, walk past where her body was .... all of them are saying that if the body had been there for days, that it would have been noticed. People who actually walked past the spot where her body was found have said there is no way that it had been there.

There does seem to be something 'not quite right'.


InOne. You didn't write the bible, so you are like everyone else - you've got your interpretation, I've got mine - you don't know with any more certainty that the 'most' that you mention are either right or wrong.