[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well God forbid we treat prisoners as human beings, give them a meal every now and then and stop them being lynched by vigilante idiots once they have served their sentance and paid their debt to society.

They lost the right to be classed as human beings when they take another person's life.

Paid their debt to society? How do they pay that debt exactly? By having their every basic need attended to for years in prison? What about the debt of one life that is owed to the family of the person who's life they took away - as well as the untold suffering the family of the victim suffer until they die?

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

They lost the right to be classed as human beings when they take another person's life.

Paid their debt to society? How do they pay that debt exactly? By having their every basic need attended to for years in prison? What about the debt of one life that is owed to the family of the person who's life they took away - as well as the untold suffering the family of the victim suffer until they die?

I dont want to get into a big debate over this but the first line is merely subject to opinion, I disagree myself

And I believe that serving a life sentance is paying your debt to society, I dont think lives should be counted as debts or should be traded. My idea of a justice system is to have a mix of reformation and retribution, but I think if we resort to killing someone then we become no better than those we seek to punish, we simply have different motives

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I dont want to get into a big debate over this but the first line is merely subject to opinion, I disagree myself

And I believe that serving a life sentance is paying your debt to society, I dont think lives should be counted as debts or should be traded. My idea of a justice system is to have a mix of reformation and retribution, but I think if we resort to killing someone then we become no better than those we seek to punish, we simply have different motives

You realise that in the UK, life sentence does not mean 'Life'.

I don't see why my taxes should be used to keep someone fed, clothed, put a roof over their head, et al - when they thought it acceptable to take another person's life. And then, once they've done their time: out they come, at the cost of millions, with new identities, given homes, kitted out, given jobs - again all at massive cost to the tax payer.

A life for a life. That's it in a nutshell. I'm not quite saying the vigilante route is the best - clearly and rationally it's not - but if true justice was served - there would be a quick end to it (and them).

Is my view an extreme one? Yes. Of course it is. But I still stand by it.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You realise that in the UK, life sentence does not mean 'Life'.

I don't see why my taxes should be used to keep someone fed, clothed, put a roof over their head, et al - when they thought it acceptable to take another person's life. And then, once they've done their time: out they come, at the cost of millions, with new identities, given homes, kitted out, given jobs - again all at massive cost to the tax payer.

A life for a life. That's it in a nutshell. I'm not quite saying the vigilante route is the best - clearly and rationally it's not - but if true justice was served - there would be a quick end to it (and them).

Is my view an extreme one? Yes. Of course it is. But I still stand by it.

Hate to be cliched and quote Ghandi but "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

And I do realise "life" doesnt mean life thankyou, I'm not an idiot

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Hate to be cliched and quote Ghandi but "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

And I do realise "life" doesnt mean life thankyou, I'm not an idiot

Hate to be cliched and quote the Bible but "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". (and yes, the same Bible that quotes, "Forgiveness" blah blah blah).

No need for you to get all uppity, I didn't suggest you were an idiot. A great many people are under the misconception that Life means quite literally, 'Life behind bars'.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

They lost the right to be classed as human beings when they take another person's life.

Paid their debt to society? How do they pay that debt exactly? By having their every basic need attended to for years in prison? What about the debt of one life that is owed to the family of the person who's life they took away - as well as the untold suffering the family of the victim suffer until they die?

Completely agree - how on earth anyone can seriously equate a few years in prison as sufficient punishment and redemption for taking another human being's LIFE is beyond me. No wonder society is down the plughole when you get mealy mouthed apologists telling the rest of us that murdering scum have "paid their debt to society"; murderers are hardly quaking in their boots for fear of any real retribution!

And for the record, YES I do resent even 1p of my taxes being spent to feed murderers, rapists and terrorists.