[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by icecakes

I carnt understand people saying good luck to them, why would anyone give a child to a fat old hasbeen pensioner like elton john,he will probably only see it 10 mins a week when he,s having his picture taken with it for the papers,the poor kid will end up a rich orphen
never knowing a mothers love,with more hang ups than a wardrobe.

Mother's love!!! Not all Mothers are loving. Tracey Connelly ring any bells with you? Karen Matthews perhaps?

Pfft.

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Mother's love!!! Not all Mothers are loving. Tracey Connelly ring any bells with you? Karen Matthews perhaps?

Pfft.

if an ordinary couple want to adopt a baby,they go through 6 months of hell,being interviewed, home visits,by social workers and they think 39 is to old,
I wouldent leave my dog with elton john

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by icecakes

if an ordinary couple want to adopt a baby,they go through 6 months of hell,being interviewed, home visits,by social workers and they think 39 is to old,
I wouldent leave my dog with elton john

Why? He's ditched his entire career to devote time to the baby

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Why? He's ditched his entire career to devote time to the baby

no he ditched his career because he,s past it

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by icecakes

no he ditched his career because he,s past it

He can write, he can sing. OK he might not be up for the crocodile rock but he's as fit as a fiddle

Flippin' 'eck grandparents don't get written off. Infact they get used to look after the kids and often have them more than the parents! He's not past it. Plus (again) he has David too

[letmein]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

He can write, he can sing. OK he might not be up for the crocodile rock but he's as fit as a fiddle

Flippin' 'eck grandparents don't get written off. Infact they get used to look after the kids and often have them more than the parents! He's not past it. Plus (again) he has David too

Uh, no. He's past it.

[Kerry]

Just read they may be planning for another. Davids told Elton he'd like another by 2013 and they shouldn't wait long (according to the papers so take as you will)

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by icecakes

no he ditched his career because he,s past it

It matters not a jot the reasons why he has retired from his career (and very long and fruitful one I might add). It allows him the time to devote to raising a young child - to devote his time soley to being a father along with a younger partner.

Hardly the crime of the century is it.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by icecakes

if an ordinary couple want to adopt a baby,they go through 6 months of hell,being interviewed, home visits,by social workers and they think 39 is to old,
I wouldent leave my dog with elton john

you were the one banging on about a Mother's love, not 'ordinary couples'. I see you had no answer to my comments about Tracey Connelly, Karen Matthews then? What love did they show their children? Being a child's biological mother does not grant direct pathway to a loving, caring, protective and nuturing environment or upbringing.

As for your comments above: Elton has gone through the surrogacy route: not regular adoption -it's an entirely different process and cannot be compared in the way you are trying to do.

I'm quite sure Elton would be delighted never to need to take care of your dog. I'm sure he'll be far more delighted at taking care of his son.

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

you were the one banging on about a Mother's love, not 'ordinary couples'. I see you had no answer to my comments about Tracey Connelly, Karen Matthews then? What love did they show their children? Being a child's biological mother does not grant direct pathway to a loving, caring, protective and nuturing environment or upbringing.

As for your comments above: Elton has gone through the surrogacy route: not regular adoption -it's an entirely different process and cannot be compared in the way you are trying to do.

I'm quite sure Elton would be delighted never to need to take care of your dog. I'm sure he'll be far more delighted at taking care of his son.

what comments do you want me to make its obvious to me and everyone else
there are evil women out there who should never have had kids,
a mother is someone who brings you up loves you, and takes care of you,and allright sometimes its a father who does the same good job,can you honestly say elton john would be a wonderful dad I dont think so

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by icecakes

what comments do you want me to make its obvious to me and everyone else
there are evil women out there who should never have had kids,
a mother is someone who brings you up loves you, and takes care of you,and allright sometimes its a father who does the same good job,can you honestly say elton john would be a wonderful dad I dont think so

Tell you what... if you're going to ask me a question, I'm big enough to answer it all by myself. Yes I do think Elton John would be a good father - I have no reason to suspect otherwise.

All you appear to be doing is coming across in your posts as being incredibly bitter at this news. Any particular reason why you should hold such a grudge - against Elton John or anyone of his age, becoming a father - by whatever means.

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Tell you what... if you're going to ask me a question, I'm big enough to answer it all by myself. Yes I do think Elton John would be a good father - I have no reason to suspect otherwise.

All you appear to be doing is coming across in your posts as being incredibly bitter at this news. Any particular reason why you should hold such a grudge - against Elton John or anyone of his age, becoming a father - by whatever means.

because every child should be brought up by someone who can give it a happy and active life not an old granddad,who only wants it for a status symbol

[Kerry]

How many times..... he's not alone. He's not taking this child on alone. My God if any child was going to be taken care of that one is

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by icecakes

because every child should be brought up by someone who can give it a happy and active life not an old granddad,who only wants it for a status symbol

you seem to be very selective here - are you forgetting that David, Elton's partner is in his 40's, is very fit and healthy and will also be one of the boy's parents? And who is to say the child will not have a happy life? You are one of the very few on here who have this ridiculous notion.

What about 'everyday non celeb parents' who are not able to give their children an active life (which is a weird thing to say: the child will be active,as all children are!!!) - if you mean someone who can go around kicking a ball with their kid - there are thousands of fathers out there who are overweight, obese, unfit, have health problems that prevent them doing this - and plenty who simply can't be arsed -and quite a number of fathers who work incredibly long hours to provide a roof and all that a child needs, and who simply don't have the time to have regular active play time with their children.

Your reasons are without substance, petty and to be perfectly honest: ludicrious. Firstly, you bleated on about adoption rules, when Elton and David are not adopting, they chose the surrogacy route. You then gave it the, "A child needing a 'mothers love' patter, which is nonsense as some mothers can be inherently evil - now you're banging the 'hes too old a man' drum. Are you homophobic by chance? I ask because all I'm seeing from you is an empty vessel making much noise.

Another little snippets for you in respect of your "the rich can adopt but ordinary couples have to meet strict rules" and your 'child needs a mother's love' nonsense....

But he and Mr Furnish then made a failed attempt to adopt a 14-month-old HIV-positive boy called Lev from an orphanage in Ukraine. They were rejected because of Sir Elton’s age and the fact that the country did not recognise gay partnerships.

That puts paid to your assertion that they got any special treatement. They in fact, didn't.

For, until that point, the orphanage in a bleak industrial town on the Russian border – where he’d been dumped by his alcoholic, HIV-positive mother seven months earlier – was all this little boy had ever known.

Great 'mother' this little fella had eh? Alcoholic, HIV positive and dumped her child. So much for that wonderful thing you have in mind that you called, 'A mother's love' then huh!

How many ordinary couples out there would take on a child that was HIV positive. Not many. It's an absolute travesty that this little boy wasn't given the chance to be adopted by Elton & David - all through nothing more than bitter prejudices based on age and sexuality. The only person who has lost out was this little HIV positive boy.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by icecakes

what comments do you want me to make its obvious to me and everyone else
there are evil women out there who should never have had kids,
a mother is someone who brings you up loves you, and takes care of you,and allright sometimes its a father who does the same good job,can you honestly say elton john would be a wonderful dad I dont think so

Yet here you are arrogantly asserting that you have second sight and that Elton will be a terrible father - hypocrisy? Much. Or is it that only YOUR opinion is valid, despite having based it purely on prejudice?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yet here you are arrogantly asserting that you have second sight ..................?

A talent wasted on a little forum !!!

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yet here you are arrogantly asserting that you have second sight and that Elton will be a terrible father - hypocrisy? Much. Or is it that only YOUR opinion is valid, despite having based it purely on prejudice?

well excuse me for having an opinion,time will tell wont it, you dont know if he will be a good dad,and i dont know if he wont,we will just have to wait and see wont we.in the meantime i have more important things to worry about,

[Stu]

Originally Posted by icecakes

well excuse me for having an opinion,time will tell wont it, you dont know if he will be a good dad,and i dont know if he wont,we will just have to wait and see wont we.in the meantime i have more important things to worry about,

Really? Because you seemed pretty sure until some more intelligent posters with well thought out opinions picked you up on it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by icecakes

if an ordinary couple want to adopt a baby,they go through 6 months of hell,being interviewed, home visits,by social workers and they think 39 is to old,
I wouldent leave my dog with elton john

It's surrogacy so it'll be his child though, he won't be adopting (that's how it works isn't it?)

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's surrogacy so it'll be his child though, he won't be adopting (that's how it works isn't it?)

Usually yes. Sometimes they go by independant donors but the usual route is that one parent is the sperm or egg donor (sometimes both and the surrogate is no biological relation to the baby)

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's surrogacy so it'll be his child though, he won't be adopting (that's how it works isn't it?)

There's 'talk' that it was David's sperm...... Elton may not necessarily be the biological Daddy.

The only ones who will know for sure, are those who need to know I guess. quite right too.... it's really buggar all to do with anyone (but it's good to guess!)