[InOne]

To be fair, when someone is a killer, family pretend to be shocked but they aren't. If they are a Psychopath the parents will know early on that there is something now quite right. But usually they'll pretend it's nothing or come up for other excuses for their behaviour

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by InOne

To be fair, when someone is a killer, family pretend to be shocked but they aren't. If they are a Psychopath the parents will know early on that there is something now quite right. But usually they'll pretend it's nothing or come up for other excuses for their behaviour

just because a family know their child is a bit odd or a bit of a loner doesn't mean they think they will go out murdering and cutting heads off every thursday. Thats a big stretch.

So yes, they certainly will be shocked. Especially if they have no history of violence.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Zippy

just because a family know their child is a bit odd or a bit of a loner doesn't mean they think they will go out murdering and cutting heads off every thursday. Thats a big stretch.

So yes, they certainly will be shocked. Especially if they have no history of violence.

And you know a family that's been in that situation do you?

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by InOne

And you know a family that's been in that situation do you?

No because serial killers dont frequent my area.

But Ive watched many docus and used to read books on famous murders and stuff.

And you don't know families either. For you to imply that theyre not shocked to learn their child is a serial killer is just a typical InOne statement. *rolls eyes*

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Zippy

No because serial killers dont frequent my area.

But Ive watched many docus and used to read books on famous murders and stuff.

And you don't know families either. For you to imply that theyre not shocked to learn their child is a serial killer is just a typical InOne statement. *rolls eyes*

No point getting into something like this with you. You just harp on and can't admit when wrong.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by InOne

No point getting into something like this with you. You just harp on and can't admit when wrong.

Good. thats you silenced.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Zippy

nobody who knew him can say he's innocent. None of us know what lurks in the minds of others or what theyre capable of in certain situations.

Why do you think parents are so shocked when their child is revealed as a serial killer? Those closest are often the last to suspect. It's complex psychology. And murderers can be extremely complex people....with many sides.

Originally Posted by Zippy

just because a family know their child is a bit odd or a bit of a loner doesn't mean they think they will go out murdering and cutting heads off every thursday. Thats a big stretch.

So yes, they certainly will be shocked. Especially if they have no history of violence.

And no one who knows him can say he is guilty - unless they are aware of him having done this before.

Besides which: perhaps its the way I'm reading it, but your first post above seems to contradict your second.

[JobsForTheBoys]

The press will be absolutely gutted because they already had him hung drawn and quatered.

If he is innocent I do hope they have to pay him substantial compansation.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by JobsForTheBoys

The press will be absolutely gutted because they already had him hung drawn and quatered.

If he is innocent I do hope they have to pay him substantial compansation.

JFTB: I would love him to be innocent and to take this matter further - reporting on facts is one thing, but hanging somenone out to dry in the manner they have done so far, before any legal proceedings have actually taken place as far as determining guilt - has been nothing less than shocking.

[JobsForTheBoys]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

JFTB: I would love him to be innocent and to take this matter further - reporting on facts is one thing, but hanging somenone out to dry in the manner they have done so far, before any legal proceedings have actually taken place as far as determining guilt - has been nothing less than shocking.

I think the press can do more harm than good at times with their interference and muck raking. Some of their reporters would make excellent internet trolls.

[JobsForTheBoys]

Why on earth would a landlord kill one of his tenants. It just doesnt make sense, and I suppose thats one of the reasons I dont believe its him.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by JobsForTheBoys

I think the press can do more harm than good at times with their interference and muck raking. Some of their reporters would make excellent internet trolls.

half of them probably are internet trolls !!!

I agree. I'm happy to say that whilst I might read all sorts of stuff from the Sun to the Telegraph and everything in between - one doesn't even have to read between the lines in what is written - just simply paying attention to what is written and how it's written and presented, sometimes tells it's own story.

Still.... it's still early days - he could still be guilty of murder - but as I've said time and time again, I'm not convinced with the snippets that we've been given.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by JobsForTheBoys

The press will be absolutely gutted because they already had him hung drawn and quatered.

If he is innocent I do hope they have to pay him substantial compansation.

Nope they wont have to pay him a penny, unless he can prove something they wrote as "fact" and not "opinion" as being factually incorrect.

Even then if it came from a reliable third party source and could in some way be verified or backed up then the press walk away scott free.

A complaint to the Press Complaints Commission would simply earn him at most a printed apology unless the point in question was deemed to be libelous.

Its great the way the press get away with character assassinations by misquoting people.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

And no one who knows him can say he is guilty - unless they are aware of him having done this before.

Besides which: perhaps its the way I'm reading it, but your first post above seems to contradict your second.

Nope, no contradiction. I havent said that anybody can say he's guilty or innocent just because they know him. Im saying nobody knows what lurks beneath somebodies exterior. Including those closest to them. And certainly not "former students of his" or whatever.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Nope, no contradiction. I havent said that anybody can say he's guilty or innocent just because they know him. Im saying nobody knows what lurks beneath somebodies exterior. Including those closest to them. And certainly not "former students of his" or whatever.

I meant in respect of the 2 parts I'd highlighted. In one you say no one knows what's lurking in person's mind, and in the other, you say that because someone is a loner / odd, doesn't mean they are a killer (owtte).

That does seem contradictory to me - just my perception I guess - but not that it really matters in the grand scale of things.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I meant in respect of the 2 parts I'd highlighted. In one you say no one knows what's lurking in person's mind, and in the other, you say that because someone is a loner / odd, doesn't mean they are a killer (owtte).

That does seem contradictory to me - just my perception I guess - but not that it really matters in the grand scale of things.

well because often serial killers were loners or socially awkward when young. This is usually as much as the parents will know about them as regards their behaviour socially. Unless they showed any signs of violence towards animals or others then of course they would be shocked to learn they were out killing people! which was my point to someone who implied that parents only pretend to be shocked.

[Pyramid*]

Put Sky news on there are the ticker tape mentioned little apart from..... this I think might possibly be an indicator here....

making mention of CJ being released on bail, followed by a comment made by Joanna's parents saying that are confident Joanna's killer will be caught.

Now to me, that's inferring that CJ isn't the killer. Strange one all the same (the case, the bail situ, and the comment, I mean)