[ChristmasNeeve]

I think self defence or to protect a loved one is acceptable, I mean who wouldn't it's a basic instinct really isn't it? I don't like violence and am not a violent person though.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think self defence or to protect a loved one is acceptable, I mean who wouldn't it's a basic instinct really isn't it? I don't like violence and am not a violent person though.

If you are woken up in the middle of the night, to someone intruding into your house, how do you know their intentions?? how do you know if they are just trying to steal an ipod? or to rape your daughter? what drugs is he on? how would you know? and how much time would you take to decide?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If you are woken up in the middle of the night, to someone intruding into your house, how do you know their intentions?? how do you know if they are just trying to steal an ipod? or to rape your daughter? what drugs is he on? how would you know? and how much time would you take to decide?

well, in short you wouldn't but are you going to take a risk that it may just be a friendly intruder wanting to steal your ipod and then regret that fact that your daughter was raped because you gave the intruder the benefit of the doubt?

How much time would it take me to decide? no idea, I have never been in the situation (thank God) and couldn't even hazard a guess at my reaction times if I were.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

well, in short you wouldn't but are you going to take a risk that it may just be a friendly intruder wanting to steal your ipod and then regret that fact that your daughter was raped because you gave the intruder the benefit of the doubt?

I wouldn't. I'd bash his kneecaps in and wait for the police to figure it out. I'd incapacitate him, make a citizen's arrest, then face whatever justice the courts dole out.

I've seen lots of cases like this in daily mail, where the person protecting their property/family, end up being prosecuted. And the intruder/criminal ends up being made out to be the "victim".

[InOne]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I wouldn't. I'd bash his kneecaps in and wait for the police to figure it out.

LOL it's not like the movies, most people panic under those situations and freeze.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by InOne

LOL it's not like the movies, most people panic under those situations and freeze.

well atleast those type of people don't have to worry about being prosecuted by thir own government for protecting their own family.

Seems like the government rewards cowardice these days.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well atleast those type of people don't have to worry about being prosecuted by thir own government for protecting their own family.

Seems like the government rewards cowardice these days.

Well it's different for us as it's illegal for us to even carry a knife yet you have the right to bare arms.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I wouldn't. I'd bash his kneecaps in and wait for the police to figure it out. I'd incapacitate him, make a citizen's arrest, then face whatever justice the courts dole out.

I've seen lots of cases like this in daily mail, where the person protecting their property/family, end up being prosecuted. And the intruder/criminal ends up being made out to be the "victim".

well, the way I see it, whether a person has come into your house to steal your Ipod, rape your daughter or murder you makes no difference, the bottom line is they shouldn't be in your home at all and if something happens to them while they're in there then it's there own fault. I believe the law was changed here not so long ago and you are actually allowed to use force to protect yourself, family or property (about time for it too) not that whether it was legal or not would even enter your head I think if it actually happened, I think you would just react really, the whole fight or flight adrenaline would kick in.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

well, the way I see it, whether a person has come into your house to steal your Ipod, rape your daughter or murder you makes no difference, the bottom line is they shouldn't be in your home at all and if something happens to them while they're in there then it's there own fault. I believe the law was changed here not so long ago and you are actually allowed to use force to protect yourself, family or property (about time for it too) not that whether it was legal or not would even enter your head I think if it actually happened, I think you would just react really, the whole fight or flight adrenaline would kick in.

Your perspective sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Basically what yur saying, is, when it comes to violence...

If you are minding your own business, and someone intrudes, the person being intruded upon should get the benefit of the doubt. Not the intruder.

If someone intrudes, they should expect a violent reaction. That's how i feel.

You cannot intrude on someone else, and expect to be considered a victim.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Your perspective sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Basically what yur saying, is, when it comes to violence...

If you are minding your own business, and someone intrudes, the person being intruded upon should get the benefit of the doubt. Not the intruder.

If someone intrudes, they should expect violence. That's how i feel.

You cannot intrude on someone else, and expect to be considered a victim.

absolutely. It's just a shame, like you said that the court systems seem to be so sympathetic to the criminals. He had a bad up bringing, he's a junkie blah blah blah..... If criminals were punished more severely then maybe they'd think twice before breaking into somebodies house