[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you can't negotiate with a psycho, and IMO anyone willing to break into someone's house has to be a bit psycho.

CAN'T TALK TO A PSYCHO LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING. (+1 for anyone who knows what song that is)

Yes, indeed and even if they just want to steal your stuff it's such a violation, the thought of it makes me sick tbh

don't know the song sorry, is it GaGa one by any chance?

[Vicky.]

Self defense and in defense of other people/your home...definitely.

Mind I have a tendancy to get quite violent during heated arguments...usually regret it afterwards but am just too hot headed.

Not excusing it or anything but I think it has something to do with where I grew up...was kinda fight or be fought type thing especially at school. learnt to look after myself from a very young age. And it stuck.

[Shasown]

Its about using reasonable force to deter, bearing in mind in the eyes of the law force should only be used as a last resort.

Your legal aim is to protect your family and property, if there is no direct threat to yourself or others, shout and scream to scare off the intruder. is the correct action as opposed to lying in wait with a knife or other weapon.

If the intruder was intent on raping or assaulting someone in the house, then a warning if practicable followed by physical action, may be deemed to be appropriate, again your actions will be judged as to what a normal person would consider reasonable.

Trigger happy jack

[Vicky.]

I also think the reasonable force thing is a load of bollocks.

Who on earth will think...when being attacked...oh I shouldnt hit them too hard or whatever, incase I hurt them too much

[lostalex]

And the idea that shouting and screaming will even create a response is ridiculous. Most people now if they do hear someone shouting and screaming, will just close the window and turn the TV volume up.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I also think the reasonable force thing is a load of bollocks.

Who on earth will think...when being attacked...oh I shouldnt hit them too hard or whatever, incase I hurt them too much

Bit different if you are being attacked, you use the minimum force necessary to stop the attack, if that means hitting them over the head with something heavy, then hit them.

It steps over the line past self defence if, when the assailant is lying on the floor you then lay in and kick seven bells out of him.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Bit different if you are being attacked, you use the minimum force necessary to stop the attack, if that means hitting them over the head with something heavy, then hit them.

It steps over the line past self defence if, when the assailant is lying on the floor you then lay in and kick seven bells out of him.

because of course, it's so easy for the average person to know whensomeone is incapacitated right?

the idea that you are making excuses for someone who is in YOUR home, someone who has NO BUSINESS in anyone's home, let alone yours, prolly the only place they have a business being in, is in jail, which is exactly where you are sending them, and you still have the nerve to defend this scum.


seriously?

REALLY? SRSLY, like, REALLY?

i think yur just being contrarian and argumentative for the sake of it. i can't believe you would actually think that.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Bit different if you are being attacked, you use the minimum force necessary to stop the attack, if that means hitting them over the head with something heavy, then hit them.

It steps over the line past self defence if, when the assailant is lying on the floor you then lay in and kick seven bells out of him.

Except it doesnt quite work out like that unfortunately.

I was in a club a few years ago, and when I left some random bitch jumped me, so I naturally reacted...nothing was broken or anything, and tbh it only took a few punches to floor her. And then I was the one who got arrested because she was bleeding more

Load of ****e, and one of the many reasons I hate the police

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Except it doesnt quite work out like that unfortunately.

I was in a club a few years ago, and when I left some random bitch jumped me, so I naturally reacted...nothing was broken or anything, and tbh it only took a few punches to floor her. And then I was the one who got arrested because she was bleeding more

Load of ****e, and one of the many reasons I hate the police

eggggsactly. Because in dysfunctional BROKEN BRITAIN, anyone stronger = guilty.

Doesn't matter who is right or wrong, in BROKEN BRITAIN, it's always the weak is innocent, the STRONG is guilty.

It's *******ed up.

Darwin is rolling in his grave.

[Lee.]

I used to be part of a crowd who's answer to everything was violence.. All the blokes were little rich boys whose mammys used to keep them dressed in designer gear,but ultimately,they were no more than football hooligans. If their team lost at football,they'd fight,if their team won, they'd fight.If anybody looked at them the wrong way, they'd fight. I remember an old bloke felt my arse once in a pub and the lot of them (would never fight alone) took him outside and beat him until he was unconscious! When I saw what they'd done I went to phone for an ambulance, and got told that if I didn't get back in the pub and shut my face, I'd get the same.. that's the only time I've ever hit someobody.

So the "protecting your own" thing aside, I just have a hatred for violence, and to answer the OP, I really don't think it is ever acceptable.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by happyland

I used to be part of a crowd who's answer to everything was violence.. All the blokes were little rich boys whose mammys used to keep them dressed in designer gear,but ultimately,they were no more than football hooligans. If their team lost at football,they'd fight,if their team won, they'd fight.If anybody looked at them the wrong way, they'd fight. I remember an old bloke felt my arse once in a pub and the lot of them (would never fight alone) took him outside and beat him until he was unconscious! When I saw what they'd done I went to phone for an ambulance, and got told that if I didn't get back in the pub and shut my face, I'd get the same.. that's the only time I've ever hit someobody.

So the "protecting your own" thing aside, I just have a hatred for violence, and to answer the OP, I really don't think it is ever acceptable.

Eugh dont even get me started on those daft wankers.

I have such hatred for people like that...seriously. They need to grow the **** up.

Theres a group of football hooligans round newcastle called the gremlins...and whenever newcastle is playing, you can gurantee trouble everywhere, wether they win or lose. Once newcastle lost and they went round smashing all the bars up(probably happened more, but only the once that I actually know of). Seriously...wtf is the point

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Except it doesnt quite work out like that unfortunately.

I was in a club a few years ago, and when I left some random bitch jumped me, so I naturally reacted...nothing was broken or anything, and tbh it only took a few punches to floor her. And then I was the one who got arrested because she was bleeding more

Load of ****e, and one of the many reasons I hate the police

Of course it doesnt work like that, but thats the way its supposed to happen, thing is the plod will have decided who to do by the way you and the other girl put yourselves over when being interviewed. At the time I bet she was shaken and you were calm and rational.

Top tip always emphasise how scared you were and reacted out of fear etc. It may not get you off all the time but its the best defence.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

eggggsactly. Because in dysfunctional BROKEN BRITAIN, anyone stronger = guilty.

Doesn't matter who is right or wrong, in BROKEN BRITAIN, it's always the weak is innocent, the STRONG is guilty.

It's *******ed up.

Darwin is rolling in his grave.

People in glass houses honey.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Of course it doesnt work like that, but thats the way its supposed to happen, thing is the plod will have decided who to do by the way you and the other girl put yourselves over when being interviewed. At the time I bet she was shaken and you were calm and rational.

Top tip always emphasise how scared you were and reacted out of fear etc. It may not get you off all the time but its the best defence.

Yeah thats about it actually. I seem to remember laughing about it too

I dont exactly think straight in situations like that, especially when drinking. Should have known to put on the 'poor me' act

[lostalex]

i think i can solve this problem...
Violence is Okay when yur the good guy protecting GOOD, like a superhero.

and it's Bad when yur the bad guy, only acting in a selfish way.

If yur violence only benefits yourself, then it's wrong.

If yur violence benefits the innocent, then it's good.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i think i can solve this problem...
Violence is Okay when yur the good guy protecting GOOD, like a superhero.

and it's Bad when yur the bad guy, only acting in a selfish way.

If yur violence only benefits yourself, then it's wrong.

If your violence benefits the innocent, then it's good.

In a civilised society all violence is wrong.

[Captain.Remy]

I used to have anger issues, as a child and teenager I brought hell to everyone who didn't agree with me...and I was pretty good at it. I got banned of 3 pubs, I almost got arrested countless times, the police went after me but I managed to never getting arrested.

Then I came to the conclusion that my behaviour is hurting the people I love the most, it fucked my relationship up with my ex-girlfriend and I realized I couldn't live my life like this anymore. So basically, I went to Anger Management.

The question "When, to you, is violence acceptable?" is a simple question they ask you at the end of the programme. Simple yet complicated to answer.
I came to the conclusion that violence will ever be acceptable if anyone is trying to prevent me from being free. I think freedom is possibly one of the most important thing we should take care about.

That being said, I ain't no Mother Theresa either, I still can scare the shit out of people but I'm not fighting anymore, I don't need violence anymore. However, some loud mouthed bitches would better watch their back.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

In a civilised society all violence is wrong.

name a civilized society? it doesn't exist. we're talking about reality, not science fiction.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

In a civilised society all violence is wrong.

Yeah,I agree

[lostalex]

Anyone with this utopian idea of "violence is never acceptable" i wonder what you'd do if someone treatened yur own mother's life. Would you kill a guilty man to save an innocent man?

If you wouldn't, you are a guilty man. IMO.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Anyone with this utopian idea of "violence is never acceptable" i wonder what you'd do if someone treatened yur own mother's life. Would you kill a guilty man to save an innocent man?

If you wouldn't, you are a guilty man. IMO.

I'm sure that however we were to react to a situation like that (and lets face it, we'd all react differently) is something called instinct. I mean, nobody is going to willingly sit back and watch their own mother be killed without trying to stop it.. But not everybody would react with violence and nobody really know what their reaction wo9uld be until actually in a situation like that.

I have already said that unnecessary violence is very different to whatever it is that kicks in when you need to protect.

But in general, (when not faced with the threat of murder or whatever) I think violence is usually uncalled for.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Anyone with this utopian idea of "violence is never acceptable" i wonder what you'd do if someone treatened yur own mother's life. Would you kill a guilty man to save an innocent man?

If you wouldn't, you are a guilty man. IMO.

I would laugh at a man threatening my mothers life, she died when I was 18.

Simple hypothetical comments like that mean nothing.

It is easy to say you would take someones life but take it from me in reality its not so simple.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I would laugh at a man threatening my mothers life, she died when I was 18.

Simple hypothetical comments like that mean nothing.

It is easy to say you would take someones life but take it from me in reality its not so simple.

I think it would be simple if you were in a situation where you needed to protect yourself or a loved one, as in you have a gun in your hand and someone was about to slit your childs throat, i doubt any of us would hesitate to pull the trigger but the likely hood of ever find yourself in such a situation is pretty slim.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I would laugh at a man threatening my mothers life, she died when I was 18.

Simple hypothetical comments like that mean nothing.

It is easy to say you would take someones life but take it from me in reality its not so simple.

well my mother is also dead, like happy, but if you wanna test my theory, try attacking my brother. I can promise you, this is not a hypothetical situation. I'd be more than happy to show you how serious i am. It's EXACTLY that simple to me

I would *******ing kill you. I really would. and there's not a single cell in my body that would regret it.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well my mother is also dead, like happy, but if you wanna test my theory, try attacking my brother. I can promise you, this is not a hypothetical situation. I'
d be more than happy to show you how serious i am. It's EXACTLY that simple to me

I would *******ing kill you. I really would. and there's not a single cell in my body that would regret it.

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