[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I'm sorry, did you just say you are glad she committed suicide?


WTF.

No glad she left me the letter

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No glad she left me the letter

oh sorry, read that wrong. That would be really ****ed up.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I'm not selfish. I'm incredibly generous.

Try missionary work in Africa or India then. If you're so selfless.

[Vicky.]

A few times. Never anything serious came of it though.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Try missionary work in Africa or India then. If you're so selfless.

He doesn't like flying

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by happyland

He doesn't like flying

well thats very selfish of him to put his own fears before the poor starving pot bellied babies.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Try missionary work in Africa or India then. If you're so selfless.

Who are you to judge?? Britney, you have like millions of dollars and you spend it all on Crack, so $tFv.

[Angus]

Suicide is an introverted, completely self-involved, ultimately totally selfish act, no matter how you dress it up. Those on here who have attempted suicide, whether genuinely or for attention, are more than aware there is lots of help out there if they really want it. Yes, I have been diagnosed in the past with clinical depression and I have been in those dark places where there seems to be no hope, and no future, but knowing how much I would hurt those I love, or thinking about those I would leave who need me and depend on me emotionally, financially, or whatever, I would never go through with killing myself. I found that I loved others more than I hated myself and that's what stopped me from doing something that others would regret all THEIR lives.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by angus58

Suicide is an introverted, completely self-involved, ultimately totally selfish act, no matter how you dress it up. Those on here who have attempted suicide, whether genuinely or for attention, are more than aware there is lots of help out there if they really want it. Yes, I have been diagnosed in the past with clinical depression and I have been in those dark places where there seems to be no hope, and no future, but knowing how much I would hurt those I love, or thinking about those I would leave who need me and depend on me emotionally, financially, or whatever, I would never go through with killing myself. I found that I loved others more than I hated myself and that's what stopped me from doing something that others would regret all THEIR lives.

Well, my friend did get help but it obviously wasn't enough. She was also only 18 and probably wasn't as capable of thinking about the repercussions as maybe you were. I don't think it's fair to lump everyone who's committed suicide into a box and label them all as selfish.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by angus58

Suicide is an introverted, completely self-involved, ultimately totally selfish act, no matter how you dress it up. Those on here who have attempted suicide, whether genuinely or for attention, are more than aware there is lots of help out there if they really want it. Yes, I have been diagnosed in the past with clinical depression and I have been in those dark places where there seems to be no hope, and no future, but knowing how much I would hurt those I love, or thinking about those I would leave who need me and depend on me emotionally, financially, or whatever, I would never go through with killing myself. I found that I loved others more than I hated myself and that's what stopped me from doing something that others would regret all THEIR lives.

Perfect Post. I agree in every way possible.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, my friend did get help but it obviously wasn't enough. She was also only 18 and probably wasn't as capable of thinking about the repercussions as maybe you were. I don't think it's fair to lump everyone who's committed suicide into a box and label them all as selfish.

just because she was selfish, doesn't mean she was a bad person.

Obviously you knew her, and loved her, and you knew that she was an awesome person.

But just because you liked her, doesn't mean what she did wasn't selfish.


and just because someone is selfish doesn't mean that they are a bad person.

We miss everyone. We wish everyone was alive forever.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by angus58

Suicide is an introverted, completely self-involved, ultimately totally selfish act, no matter how you dress it up. Those on here who have attempted suicide, whether genuinely or for attention, are more than aware there is lots of help out there if they really want it. Yes, I have been diagnosed in the past with clinical depression and I have been in those dark places where there seems to be no hope, and no future, but knowing how much I would hurt those I love, or thinking about those I would leave who need me and depend on me emotionally, financially, or whatever, I would never go through with killing myself. I found that I loved others more than I hated myself and that's what stopped me from doing something that others would regret all THEIR lives.

Judgemental toss.

Because it's not enough that theyve reached the point of absolute despair and hopelessness...they now also have people like you wagging the finger of blame at them?

Oh great. That really helps.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Judgemental toss.

Because it's not enough that theyve reached the point of absolute despair and hopelessness...they now also have people like you wagging the finger of blame at them?

Oh great. That really helps.

helps who then??
they're ******ing dead, you're defending someone who is worm food. WTF. MAybe instead of having compassion for a rotting CORPSE, you should try having compassion for people that are actually alive, And actually EXIST. The family and friends that are left behind to feel like $h*t.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

helps who then??
they're ******ing dead, you're defending someone who is worm food. WTF. MAybe instead of having compassion for a rotting CORPSE, you should try having compassion for people that are actually alive, And actually EXIST.

and blaming them helps who?

following your logic all opions on their suicide is pointless because THEYRE DEAD.
There are people contemplating suicide who don't need to be told how selfish theyre being. It's also selfish to expect somebody to carry on living in absolute anguish and misery.

See, we can all throw the word selfish around.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

and blaming them helps who?

following your logic all opions on their suicide is pointless because THEYRE DEAD.
There are people contemplating suicide who don't need to be told how selfish theyre being. It's also selfish to expect somebody to carry on living in absolute anguish and misery.

See, we can all throw the word selfish around.

great point Zippy.

[lostalex]

So basically yur arguing FOR the idea that If you feel like a Burden, you are justified in killing yourself.


Seriously? No, but... really? yur honestly saying that? REALLY?

WTF

[lostalex]

I don't agree with yall.

Don't kill yourself.

I stand by that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

So basically yur arguing FOR the idea that If you feel like a Burden, you are justified in killing yourself.


Seriously? No, but... really? yur honestly saying that? REALLY?

WTF

yeah........that's what he's saying

[Vicky.]

Is it ok for people who dont get on with their family or have no friends to kill themselves then?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

So basically yur arguing FOR the idea that If you feel like a Burden, you are justified in killing yourself.


Seriously? No, but... really? yur honestly saying that? REALLY?

WTF

I love the way you make out as though he is the one presenting an illogical and ridiculous viewpoint

[lostalex]

yur a selfish ***** if you kill yourself. If you feel bad abnout yurself, if you don't feel good enuf for yourself. Then youj kill yourself, and place that burden on all your family and all your friends.

All yur family, yur mom and dad, for the rest of their lives, will now feel that bureden, they will feel like "well maybe i could have saved him/her, it's my fault he/she is dead"

How Fv*king DARE you put that on yur family. HOW FV*KING DARE YOU.


Shame on any who commits suicide. ShaME A MILLION TIMES.

If any of my family memebrrs ever committed suicide, i search Hell faR and wide to kick their ASS. SElfish *****s. If my brother killed himself tomorrow, i'd never forgive him.

It's not fair, and it's not right. There is no excuse to be made for it.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

So basically yur arguing FOR the idea that If you feel like a Burden, you are justified in killing yourself.


Seriously? No, but... really? yur honestly saying that? REALLY?

WTF

dunno where you've plucked that nugget from but...whatever, Mary.

My view is that if somebody really REALLY wants to get the fuk outta here then they should be able to get the fuk outta here. And everybody else should just respect the fact that they wanted to get the fuk outta here.

[Lee.]

I have to say that although I realise this isn't a black/white argument and there must be a LARGE grey area, I have to admit I'm more with Angus and Alex on this one.

The person who commits suicide is away from all their pain and troubles, whereas their family and friends will have to start facing a lifetime of them.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

dunno where you've plucked that nugget from but...whatever, Mary.

My view is that if somebody really REALLY wants to get the fuk outta here then they should be able to get the fuk outta here. And everybody else should just respect the fact that they wanted to get the fuk outta here.

I could maybe accept it, but not respect the fact

[Vicky.]

Personally I also think its selfish to expect people to put up with deep depression...so much so that they would be willing to end their own life, possibly very painfully, no views of anything getting better or anything like that.

But thats just me.