[lostalex]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Oh do stop getting pissy.

Nobody has glorified suicide, people have just offered opinions in a debate.

You seem very certain of yourself. How unattractive.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Margaret Cho :bow: x a million

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This isnt very fair, there is not always signs, some people do it totally out of the blue :/

There's that too, I know what you mean.

I knew this girl [actually I quite fancied her] and she was totally fine all year and was having banter with me and stuff and when our school went off for Halloween last year, she killed herself over the very short period we were off.

I didn't live with her obviously so I don't know if she had been depressed in the house and her parents had ignored it but I do see what you mean.

I just think what that American bird is saying, cba spelling her name, is abit unfair too because it's basically saying anyone that's killed themselves is Selfish and isn't thinking of others, of course they are.
It isn't an easy decision to make at the end of the day but, you if things are really that bad and you've made your mind up, it'd be selfish to put yourself through the pain of living just to please other people.

[lostalex]

it's never out of the blue.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Patrick

There's that too, I know what you mean.

I knew this girl [actually I quite fancied her] and she was totally fine all year and was having banter with me and stuff and when our school went off for Halloween last year, she killed herself over the very short period we were off.

I didn't live with her obviously so I don't know if she had been depressed in the house and her parents had ignored it but I do see what you mean.

I just think what that American bird is saying, cba spelling her name, is abit unfair too because it's basically saying anyone that's killed themselves is Selfish and isn't thinking of others, of course they are.
It isn't an easy decision to make at the end of the day but, you if things are really that bad and you've made your mind up, it'd be selfish to put yourself through the pain of living just to please other people.

alot of times people who suffer from depression present themselves in public as the happy go lucky, joker types

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Patrick

I just think what that American bird is saying, cba spelling her name

how incredibly rude. FU2.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

it's never out of the blue.

Load of bollocks.

Some people even just get pissed and decide to do it, some just want attention and something goes wrong. Others have been thinking about it for a while but hid it well...so to others, its out of the blue.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

But unfortunately we still live in a society where some mental health still holds a stigma, and help is not always available, not the help that they feel they need. Every person's brain is fine tuned uniquely, so what may work to help one may not work for another. And trial and error is all good and well, but that doesn't help the person right when they need it...

Certainly with the more serious mental illnesses there probably is some stigma still, but when it comes to depression, it is now such a well recognised and understood condition, that it's quite possibly the one illness we have all suffered with to some degree or another. My point is that those that get to the level of depression that compels them to consider taking their own lives, did not arrive at that point instantaneously, it must have got worse over a period of time, during which help could have been sought.

I do think there should be better education about such issues in schools and colleges, so that kids realise that what they're feeling and experiencing in certain situations, such as relationship breakups, bullying etc, is not insurmountable, and that help is available.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Load of bollocks.

Some people even just get pissed and decide to do it, some just want attention and something goes wrong. Others have been thinking about it for a while but hid it well...so to others, its out of the blue.

i disagree. Anyone who is gonna do it, will have reached out in their own way, in some form or another.

I'm not saying it's anyone's responsibility to have noticed, but it's never out of the blue.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Then i obviously wasn't talking about YOU then, was i?

I hope not but If not me then WHO were you refering to because I haven't seen anyone try to glorify it?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You seem very certain of yourself. How unattractive.

I am both certain of myself and unattractive. But I'm not the one with a sharp edged view on the world and unable to see both sides of a debate.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

I am both certain of myself and unattractive. But I'm not the one with a sharp edged view on the world and unable to see both sides of a debate.

I disagree wholeheartedly

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I hope not but If not me then WHO were you refering to because I haven't seen anyone try to glorify it?

i was OBVIOSLY making a generalization. You often hear on anti-suicide campaigns about how "cowardly" it is. that was what i was referring to.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by angus58

Certainly with the more serious mental illnesses there probably is some stigma still, but when it comes to depression, it is now such a well recognised and understood condition, that it's quite possibly the one illness we have all suffered with to some degree or another. My point is that those that get to the level of depression that compels them to consider taking their own lives, did not arrive at that point instantaneously, it must have got worse over a period of time, during which help could have been sought.

I do think there should be better education about such issues in schools and colleges, so that kids realise that what they're feeling and experiencing in certain situations, such as relationship breakups, bullying etc, is not insurmountable, and that help is available .

This I agree with.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I disagree wholeheartedly

I second your wholehearted disagreement

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by angus58

I do think there should be better education about such issues in schools and colleges, so that kids realise that what they're feeling and experiencing in certain situations, such as relationship breakups, bullying etc, is not insurmountable, and that help is available.

This is true.

A few Lifeline or Child Support leaflets with stupid slogans like 'Suicide, Is it worth it?' written on them, isn't going to save lives.

There should be assemblers organized a few times a year where they get people in from these organizations to talk to teens about Suicide.

Rather than wasting money every October on 'Firework Safety' assemblies, I think all know how to light a ******ing firework.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by angus58

I do think there should be better education about such issues in schools and colleges, so that kids realise that what they're feeling and experiencing in certain situations, such as relationship breakups, bullying etc, is not insurmountable, and that help is available.

This is true.

A few Lifeline or Child Support leaflets with stupid slogans like 'Suicide, Is it worth it?' written on them, isn't going to save lives.

There should be assemblers organized a few times a year where they get people in from these organizations to talk to teens about Suicide.

Rather than wasting money every October on 'Firework Safety' assemblies, I think all know how to light a ******ing firework.

[InOne]

Is everyone mentally ill on this site? Is this what BB attracts lol

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by InOne

Is everyone mentally ill on this site? Is this what BB attracts lol

replace "BB" with "internet forums" and the answer is definitely YES.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Oh Jesus Christ.

It ISN'T SELFISH!
YOU are being selfish by asking the person to live through pain and suffer just because you don't want to loose them.

If people actually cared that much about the person who committed suicide, they would of shown it more or would of recognized their cries for help.

Clearly you know very little. My father showed no signs of depression (indeed, it was if anything, the opposite) and gave no indications that anything was wrong to the point that he was preparing to take his own life. He was the last person on earth who anyone had thought would take that route.

Not everyone does the 'cry for help' part....or the attention seeking part Patrick. You might do well to learn some facts about suicide - many people who are successful in their suicide bids - many - give no indication, no talk of it, no signs, no signals, no 'cry for help'. Those types are the very ones who want to ensure they are successful - they aren't crying out for help - they are the ones hell bent on ensuring they will achieve death - long before anyone will be able to intervene.

(angus and Alex... thanks btw.)

[keithafc]

Just seek help if you ever get suicide thoughts. Talk to some one.

[Stu]

Talk't'me.

Sorry.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i disagree. Anyone who is gonna do it, will have reached out in their own way, in some form or another.

I'm not saying it's anyone's responsibility to have noticed, but it's never out of the blue.

To quote your own previous post... You seem very certain of yourself. Many people who want to end it all make their arrangements quietly, and then take themselves off and just do it. It comes as a shock to people who knew them.

[BB_Eye]

I'm not sure I agree with this real potential suicide case vs. attention seeking dichotomy. Nobody should take threats of suicide from somebody lightly. Granted, some people have far more reason to top themselves than others and some people want far attention far more than others, but few people are thinking clearly in this state of mind. Moral platitudes don't exactly help, although knowing how it would affect your family is possibly the most important reason for not going through with it.