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Vicky. · 18-01-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58

It wasn't just on the basis that they didn't want them there, it was because it was a major conflict of their christian beliefs, and I do not believe for one moment that if the B&B owners were muslims, that this gay couple would have won their case - after all Islam also does not condone homosexuality - more so even than Christianity - or are you suggesting that only Christians should have to compromise their beliefs?

As regards disabled people, people with children and ethnic minorities, there is nothing in Christianity that says any of these groups are anathema to a Christian God.

Dress it up however you like...it was just prejudice.

You said 'I don't think a B&B should be classified as if it were a hotel - it is after all a person's OWN home from which they let out rooms so surely they are entitled to decide who they have under their roof as their paying guests?'

So under that...people would be able to turn away guests for ANY reason. So my point still stands

Crimson Dynamo · 18-01-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Gay people do make up a small percentage though

1.5% at best

_Seth · 18-01-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Gay people do make up a small percentage though

His other point was so unbelievably stupid, though.

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

1.5% at best

I'd say about 15%. That silly survey is way too inaccurate.

Crimson Dynamo · 18-01-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Phlip

His other point was so unbelievably stupid, though.

I'd say about 15%. That silly survey is way too inaccurate.

your sample size is dwarfed by theirs i am afraid

you lose

Stephanie · 18-01-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Phlip

His other point was so unbelievably stupid, though.

I'd say about 15%. That silly survey is way too inaccurate.

there's no way it could be that high.

Crimson Dynamo · 18-01-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephanie

there's no way it could be that high.

he is trying to improve his chances in 2011 after a nil point 2010

lol

MTVN · 18-01-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Phlip

His other point was so unbelievably stupid, though.

I'd say about 15%. That silly survey is way too inaccurate.

Well this forum does have a disproportionate number of gay people on

Vicky. · 18-01-2011, 05:13 PM

Cant be as low as 1.5%...practically half the people I know are gay/bi

Angus · 18-01-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cub

If you run your home as a business, it's a business. It's their choice whether they live there or not - it makes no difference. You have to run your business within the guidelines of the law.

Do you think if they lived elsewhere they would then accept this gay couple? I think their atittude would be no different.

You can't descriminate against gay people any more than you could black people. It's as simple as that.

No, it is NOT as "simple as that" and if you don't see the difference between a strongly held religious belief and pure, out and out prejudice, then that isn't my problem.

Incidentally, I abhor all forms of discrimination, but commonsense and understanding should be applied when it comes to a case like this - after all the B&B owners could now appeal on the grounds that they are being persecuted and discriminated against for their religious beliefs.

_Seth · 18-01-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

he is trying to improve his chances in 2011 after a nil point 2010

lol

I am attracted to men, can you give me step-by-step instructions on how not to be, please?

Angus · 18-01-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Dress it up however you like...it was just prejudice.

You said 'I don't think a B&B should be classified as if it were a hotel - it is after all a person's OWN home from which they let out rooms so surely they are entitled to decide who they have under their roof as their paying guests?'

So under that...people would be able to turn away guests for ANY reason. So my point still stands

So you are in favour of religious discrimination being subordinate to other forms of discrimination? Isn't that discrimination per se?
Clearly you believe the B&B Owners have to respect this gay couple, yet they have shown absolutely no reciprocating respect for the B&B Owners' religious beliefs?

MTVN · 18-01-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Cant be as low as 1.5%...practically half the people I know are gay/bi

That was according to this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11398629

The data was collected on peoples doorsteps or over the phone though, and as people are asked more regularly they're more likely to be truthful and say they're gay apparently so it probably is more than that. I'd say 3 or 4%

arista · 18-01-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no, i meant the 2 gay boys

the b and b couple are just silly but harmless

The 2 Gay blokes
Set this all up.

It was no accident they picked that crap hotel
with the nutty Bible Freaks

Vicky. · 18-01-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58

So you are in favour of religious discrimination being subordinate to other forms of discrimination? Isn't that discrimination per se?
Clearly you believe the B&B Owners have to respect this gay couple, yet they have shown absolutely no reciprocating respect for the B&B Owners' religious beliefs?

What the hell are you on about?

I hardly think tis classed as discrimination to expect a couple who run a business do NOT discriminate against people.

Maybe if they cant take people of different walks of life being around them, they should open a little church store or something.

And this bit is just ridiculous

'yet they have shown absolutely no reciprocating respect for the B&B Owners' religious beliefs?'

What should they do? Just...stop being gay? Just to please a couple of bigots? I dont think so.

arista · 18-01-2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58

So you are in favour of religious discrimination being subordinate to other forms of discrimination? Isn't that discrimination per se?
Clearly you believe the B&B Owners have to respect this gay couple, yet they have shown absolutely no reciprocating respect for the B&B Owners' religious beliefs?

No they can Close

As they are Bible Freaks

This is 2010

The Judge has the power

Crimson Dynamo · 18-01-2011, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Cant be as low as 1.5%...practically half the people I know are gay/bi

That mean little when talking about % of population. sample size of 1 is no sample.

Most people in the UK do not know or are friends with any gay person. fact

Jack_ · 18-01-2011, 05:35 PM

I'm not entirely sure [and I should be...I do Business Studies], but I believe there are discrimination acts which prevent businesses from not employing staff/refusing to serve customers on the basis of their race, gender or sexual orientation, amongst other things. In which case they are indeed breaking the law. There's no 'oh it's their home they can do what they want' about it. It's a business. They have to adhere to rules.

Angus · 18-01-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

What the hell are you on about?

I hardly think tis classed as discrimination to expect a couple who run a business do NOT discriminate against people.

Maybe if they cant take people of different walks of life being around them, they should open a little church store or something.

And this bit is just ridiculous

'yet they have shown absolutely no reciprocating respect for the B&B Owners' religious beliefs?'

What should they do? Just...stop being gay? Just to please a couple of bigots? I dont think so.

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How about just going elsewhere? After all why would you want to stay somewhere you were clearly not welcome? Again, I reiterate this is their OWN home, and you will find there is a lot of controversy over this issue, and they may very well win their case on appeal. You refer to the B&B owners as "bigots" instead of committed Christians trying to follow their deeply held religious beliefs. I am being the devil's advocate in this thread, pointing out that the B&B owners have every right to appeal against the decision on the grounds that they are being religiously discriminated against.

The Human Rights legislation in this country is inequitable, since someone's human rights are ALWAYS going to be infringed because another's is favoured.

MTVN · 18-01-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm not entirely sure [and I should be...I do Business Studies], but I believe there are discrimination acts which prevent businesses from not employing staff/refusing to serve customers on the basis of their race, gender or sexual orientation, amongst other things. In which case they are indeed breaking the law. There's no 'oh it's their home they can do what they want' about it. It's a business. They have to adhere to rules.

Yeah but the question was whether the policy targetted gay people specifically or all married couples as was the official line. The judge ruled that seeing as they still didnt allow those who are gay and in a civil partnership that the policy did discriminate on the basis of sexuality.

I think if it was a gay couple who were not in a civil partnership then they would not have been prosecuted

Vicky. · 18-01-2011, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58

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How about just going elsewhere? After all why would you want to stay somewhere you were clearly not welcome? Again, I reiterate this is their OWN home, and you will find there is a lot of controversy over this issue, and they may very well win their case on appeal. You refer to the B&B owners as "bigots" instead of committed Christians trying to follow their deeply held religious beliefs. I am being the devil's advocate in this thread, pointing out that the B&B owners have every right to appeal against the decision on the grounds that they are being religiously discriminated against.

The Human Rights legislation in this country is inequitable, since someone's human rights are ALWAYS going to be infringed because another's is favoured.

Religion is often used as an excuse for discrimination.

Yes, they COULD have gone elsewhere, but why should they have to?

Even though it is their own home, it is still classed as a business. I could open a shop in my living room and refuse to serve certain people citing my 'religion' as the reason...but it would still be breaking the law

Vicky. · 18-01-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Yup e

I think if it was a gay couple who were not in a civil partnership then they would not have been prosecuted

Yup exactly.

The 'rules' were against non married couples. This couple was married yet still refused.

Niall · 18-01-2011, 05:53 PM

Good for them. They deserve to win. I hope that intolerant cow who turned them away in the first place was sacked aswell.

MTVN · 18-01-2011, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Niall

Good for them. They deserve to win. I hope that intolerant cow who turned them away in the first place was sacked aswell.

She cant sack herself

arista · 18-01-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Niall

Good for them. They deserve to win. I hope that intolerant cow who turned them away in the first place was sacked aswell.

No its there Home/Hotel.

They should Close

Or more Set Up
Gay blokes will go there to piss them off

arista · 18-01-2011, 06:10 PM

"What should they do? Just...stop being gay? Just to please a couple of bigots? I dont think so. "

Yes Vicky Correct
There Bible tells them Gays are Evil.

They will have to Close
or sell up.

Sign Of The Times.

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