[bananarama]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes but you cant seperate the leaders from the context in which they operate. Times have changed and with it so have our perceptions on the world, and what is wrong and right. It isnt necessarily due to them being "weak", it's more to do with it just being a sign of the times as arista would say.

You would advocate forsaking human rights because that's what the Taleban do? If we abandon those then that undermines the whole point of being in Afghanistan, we are supposedly there to build a democracy. Not that I agree with the war but that's the official line

You have been won over by what is frankly modern day principle tosh.........The bottom line is if you don't defeat enemies like the extremists then all your wonderful human rights principles will whistle in the wind as the enemy gloats over what fools people are for thinking you can defeat satan with a peashooter

If a nation wants to survive to enjoy a principled life you first have to rid yourself of the unprincipled nothing more nothing less.

As I said fighting a war with principles is like fighting with two hands tied behind your back. You will never never win.......

The cost of this so called principled war is the lives of our soldiers......

Principled polititions and war don't mix........There is only one sensible principle in war and that is to win by what ever means needed

War is hell principles cannot make it like something from heaven....