[Shasown]

Originally Posted by marney

What's Happened To The Landlord?

Martin Brunt January 23, 2011 10:32 AM

Now the police say they've got their man, Vincent Tabak, for the Jo Yeates murder, there is one big question.

What about her landlord Chris Jefferies, the first suspect who fiercely denied any guilt?

He might have thought he would be eliminated now.

The police told me: "In the light of this latest development we are now considering the impact of this on other aspects of the investigation."

So, officially, he's still a suspect and still on bail.

Last heard of, his lawyers were sifting through media reports of his arrest and exploring legal action for defamation against various outlets.

The rather eccentric former public school master seemed to be gearing up for a major assault on journalists.

So, what's going on?

Oh, and another question.

Why didn't police arrest Mr. Tabak earlier?

Living next door to the victim he must have been a major 'person of interest' to the murder squad.

The golden rule for detectives on any investigation is to "clear the ground under your feet."

The policy is to TIE - trace, interview and eliminate - all those emotionally and physically close to the victim.

Mr. Tabak couldn't really have been any closer, physically. A few feet most of the time.

Martin Brunt crime correspondent? Seems like he knows next to nothing doesnt it? It also seems like he is attempting to distance himself from the feeding frenzy like witch hunt the media decided to engage in regarding Jefferies.

Chris Jeffries could still be on bail while the police continue investigations into not only the murder itself but also any other crimes he may be suspected of which may or may not have come to light during the investigation.

They didnt arrest Tabak for a couple of reasons, they initially didnt suspect him, they had no evidence (they didnt attempt to arrest Tabak until after they had viewed the tapes from the old fellow down the roads's CCTV and the tapes from the Severn Bridge CCTV), they were building up a case including crime profile etc.

But perhaps the biggest reason is, he wasnt in the country. Its a bit difficult attempting to arrest someone when they arent in the same country, let alone county.

Besides until they interviewed him they still may not have had enough evidence to ask the Dutch Police to arrest and extradite for questioning. And they may have wanted not to scare him into running or fighting an extradition hearing.

Leaving Jefferies on bail would also have reassured Tabak to some extent that the police didnt suspect him.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

The mother of Vincent Tabak broke her silence last night to back her son – insisting he was acting ‘normally’ in the week following Joanna Yeates’s death.

Mr Tabak left Bristol for a family holiday in Holland two days after Miss Yeates was reported missing.
He was only arrested last week after his return to the UK.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1BoZdmKPF

Originally Posted by marney

What's Happened To The Landlord?

Martin Brunt January 23, 2011 10:32 AM

Oh, and another question.

Why didn't police arrest Mr. Tabak earlier?

Living next door to the victim he must have been a major 'person of interest' to the murder squad.

The golden rule for detectives on any investigation is to "clear the ground under your feet."

The policy is to TIE - trace, interview and eliminate - all those emotionally and physically close to the victim.

Mr. Tabak couldn't really have been any closer, physically. A few feet most of the time.

I'm afraid someone's geography and ability to work out distances isn't so good. Holland is more than a few feet away. Tabak was in Holland.

As for CJ?

' They had interviewed Miss Yeates’s landlord but nothing materialised from it and there was no concrete evidence linking him in any way to the murder.

‘It appears he had brought himself under suspicion by making a series of comments which now appear to be irrelevant and innocuous. There was no case against him.’

No one (genera public) knows why CJ has bail conditions placed upon him - for all we know, it could be something totally unconnected altogether .

[arista]

"Tabak was in Holland."



thats after he Dumped her body dead in England.

Typical murder
do not stick around after it.

[marney]

Chris Jefferies is expecting to be formally cleared today

Monday January 24,2011
By Daily Express reporter

[Mifletz]

The British police have truly lived up to their decline in their nicknames through the decades, starting with the "Peelers", the "Bobbies", the "Bluebottles", the "Woozers", the "Sweeney", the "Nick", the "Filth", the "Pigs", and now literally the "Plod"!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

"Tabak was in Holland."



thats after he Dumped her body dead in England.

Typical murder
do not stick around after it.

Arista - very good point indeed - so glaringly obvious but missed it completely. Well spotted.

Tabak was reported to have left for Holland 2 days after Joanna went missing - and it's been reported that he didn't return again to UK till last week. If so... how could he have dumpled Joanna's body.

Are the dates incorrect?

Are the dates correct but omit that perhaps he did a flying visit back to UK / back to Holland inbetween - at which point he had the opportunity to move Joanna's body?

Are the dates correct, did he remain in Holland from point of departing the UK, to return last week - are the police sure they have the right man?

Oh dear. So many questions.

[arista]

The Police have the correct Dates
Today he was Charged in Court.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

The Police have the correct Dates
Today he was Charged in Court.

I would hope the Police do have the correct dates!!

I mean in regards to what's been reported - and the confusion therein!

[marney]

arrest after charging Vincent Tabak

Monday, January 24th, 2011

Detectives investigating the murder of Jo Yeates are ‘reviewing’ the arrested status of her landlord Chris Jefferies, officers said today.

Jo Yeates murder: police reviewing Chris Jefferies arrest after charging Vincent Tabak

Former Clifton College teacher Mr Jefferies, 66, was arrested on suspicion of murder on December 30 – five days after the body of 25-year-old Jo was found.

He was released on bail three days later and last week police confirmed he was still considered a suspect in the case.

But after Dutchman Vincent Tabak, 32, appeared in court charged with Jo’s murder today, police revealed they would look again at the arrest of Jefferies.

His friends say they expect him to be ”de-arrested” in the next few days.

Police Inspector David Horwood, from Avon and Somerset police, confirmed: ”We are now considering the impact of the charge on other aspects of the investigation.”

Mr Jefferies, who appeared to give conflicting eye-witness accounts on the night Jo went missing, has kept a low profile since his release on bail.

He has not been spotted by neighbours back at his 44 Canynge Road flat in Bristol.

His legal representatives are believed to be preparing a case against Avon and Somerset Police for wrongful arrest.

Friend Irving Steggles, speaking from South Africa, said today: ”I think it would be unhelpful for me to offer further comment after Christopher’s expected de-arrest.”

[Mifletz]

Is there any way Tabak could plead "guilty" and thereby avoid a trial? Or is there so much money involved, that his own lawyers won't let him? Or could the holding officers do a "Fred West" on him ie give him a belt to hang himself before the trial, and even help him along?!

[Mifletz]

A shame the reconstruction was never aired. The blonde Joanna-lookalike would have got many marriage offers methinks!



To singlehandedly drag/carry/lift a 160lb clothed woman, especially a deadweight woman, who may even have started to go in to rigor mortis, even if in a giant black hold-all, is virtually beyond one man, especially in slippery snow/sludge, and in and out of a car seat or boot. It needed two men, or one very strong man.

Even at 6'4", does the Dutchman look up to it?!

[arista]

His Own Lawyers said keep him in Jail
while waiting for the next court date.

[marney]

Originally Posted by Mifletz

Is there any way Tabak could plead "guilty" and thereby avoid a trial? Or is there so much money involved, that his own lawyers won't let him? Or could the holding officers do a "Fred West" on him ie give him a belt to hang himself before the trial, and even help him along?!

The concentration of people within that area with seemingly connections can't be just chance. If he does plead guilty does or worse , others get off. He went away with his girlfriend on the 28th so where was his girlfriend at the time of the murder. Jefferies said he saw three people so were they all alive at that point or was Jo taken somewhere else.

[InOne]

Latest on the case on Crimewatch tonight

[marney]

suspect in Jo Yeates murder case

Wednesday, January 26th, 2011

A leading criminologist has questioned why the landlord of Jo Yeates stills remains a suspect in her murder.

Criminologist questions why is Chris Jefferies is still Jo Yeates murder suspect

Eccentric Chris Jefferies, 66, was arrested on suspicion of murdering the 25-year-old on December 30 at the Canynge Road, Clifton, Bristol, where the two both lived.

Police obtained two extensions to keep Mr Jefferies detained for the maximum time limit but released him early on police bail, without charge, on January 1.

Dutch engineer Vincent Tabak, 32, was then arrested and charged with Jo’s murder.

But despite Tabak’s charge, Mr Jefferies has not had his police bail cancelled and is therefore still a suspect, police confirmed today.

David Wilson, professor of criminology and criminal justice at Birmingham City University, said it would be normal practice to release other suspects from bail following a charge.

Professor Wilson, who has researched many murderers including serial killer Fred West, Soham murderer Ian Huntley, and Suffolk strangler Steven Wright, said: ”I’ve not heard that the landlord Chris Jefferies has had his bail cancelled, which could be seen as significant.

”Now that they’ve charged Vincent Tabak it would make sense for police to cancel Mr Jefferies’ bail – that would be normal procedure.

”I’d expect the police to act quickly to end any misunderstanding in relation to Mr Jefferies not being released from bail.”

After Tabak was charged on Saturday evening Inspector David Horwood, from Avon and Somerset police, said: ”We’re now considering the impact of the charge on other aspects of the investigation.”

A force spokesman confirmed Mr Jefferies was still on bail but refused to comment further.


What do you make of this.

[Angus]

Perhaps Tabak has somehow implicated Jefferies when he was questioned - who knows? I remember at one time the theory was mooted that it was a two person crime, perhaps there are discrepancies in the testimonies of the two men. Clearly not all the evidence the police have has been made public.

[marney]

Have you seen postings on other sites and twitter, from people apparently trying to prove the two suspects innocent and claim that VT has an alibi for the night of the 17th, a rock solid witness, Hm. Also evidence the police have is scant. How do they know? The style and content looks very much like someone who posts regularly on this site, but has not for a couple of nights. I could be wrong.

They won't let this one go without a fight.


People of the same ilk as the mutter/s who murdered Jo are hell bent on defending the suspects, intent on muddying the waters and rubbishing police evidence. I hope the police are able to get through this one with enough evidence if they don't there will be no stopping these particular types of crimes.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by marney

The style and content looks very much like someone who posts regularly on this site, but has not for a couple of nights. I could be wrong.

Why change the habit of a lifetime, you were wrong on pretty much every thing you put forward so far.

Originally Posted by marney

They won't let this one go without a fight.

People of the same ilk as the mutter/s who murdered Jo are hell bent on defending the suspects, intent on muddying the waters and rubbishing police evidence. I hope the police are able to get through this one with enough evidence if they don't there will be no stopping these particular types of crimes.

You ever think they may be telling the truth? While not defending them or anyone else, I think you are being a tad harsh branding them as being of the same ilk as the murderer(s).

While it is possible they are simply intent on causing trouble for the investigation, they may also be defending the suspects out of a misguided sense of loyalty, or if they are actually giving an alibi they may be confused as to the dates they are alibiing for.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

Have you seen postings on other sites and twitter, from people apparently trying to prove the two suspects innocent and claim that VT has an alibi for the night of the 17th, a rock solid witness, Hm. Also evidence the police have is scant. How do they know? The style and content looks very much like someone who posts regularly on this site, but has not for a couple of nights. I could be wrong.

They won't let this one go without a fight.


People of the same ilk as the mutter/s who murdered Jo are hell bent on defending the suspects, intent on muddying the waters and rubbishing police evidence. I hope the police are able to get through this one with enough evidence if they don't there will be no stopping these particular types of crimes.

Highly probable that you could be wrong. You have been and with stark regularity up to now so I'd say it was a safe bet that you are wrong!

People of the same ilk as the mutter who murdered Jo are hell bent on defending the suspects? Ahh....... you mean in direct contrast to the way people like you want to hang, draw and quarter anyone (and everyone) that the police take more than a 2nd glance at - without you having been made aware of any hard fast and concrete evidence - happy to label them killers at the drop of a hat!

I'll say it again: we live in a land of innocent until proven guilty - and that applies even to those charges with crimes. Charges can be dropped. Here's something to really blow your mind - it also can apply to those convicted - ever heard of Miscarriage of Justice?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

The concentration of people within that area with seemingly connections can't be just chance. If he does plead guilty does or worse , others get off. He went away with his girlfriend on the 28th so where was his girlfriend at the time of the murder. Jefferies said he saw three people so were they all alive at that point or was Jo taken somewhere else.

If he does plead guilty or worse, others get off? 'or worse'...??? !!

What 'others' (plural) get off? Ahhh... I see your trying to bring VT's girlfriend into it as well now!

I'm sure you've forgotten to throw blame onto the local paperboy - when he was doing his rounds that night, collecting his paper money from everyone in that same building. You may as well include him in your killer list - be a shame for you to leave him out really - you know, what with him having 'seemingly connections'.

Deary me.

[marney]

Why change the habit of a lifetime, you were wrong on pretty much every thing you put forward so far.


Such as

I thought by your postings and the content we agreed on more or less the same line, that they were guilty, but now I see I was totally wrong in that assumption and you have more in common with Pyramid.






Certainly touched a nerve with Pyramid who is very "Cerebral" on other sites.

Highly probable that you could be wrong. You have been and with stark regularity up to now so I'd say it was a safe bet that you are wrong!

People of the same ilk as the mutter who murdered Jo are hell bent on defending the suspects? Ahh....... you mean in direct contrast to the way people like you want to hang, draw and quarter anyone (and everyone) that the police take more than a 2nd glance at - without you having been made aware of any hard fast and concrete evidence - happy to label them killers at the drop of a hat!

I'll say it again: we live in a land of innocent until proven guilty - and that applies even to those charges with crimes. Charges can be dropped. Here's something to really blow your mind - it also can apply to those convicted - ever heard of Miscarriage of Justice?
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Touched a nerve here again, must have, both posting at that time of night to get a point across. Interseting though.

[marney]

Originally Posted by Mifletz

Is there any way Tabak could plead "guilty" and thereby avoid a trial? Or is there so much money involved, that his own lawyers won't let him? Or could the holding officers do a "Fred West" on him ie give him a belt to hang himself before the trial, and even help him along?!

You might be right here,if Tabak was innocent would he need to be on suicide watch. You would think with his background and expert help etc he would be trying to prove his innocence.

THE SUN
THE man charged with the murder of Jo Yeates has been placed on suicide watch in prison.

Dutch-born Vincent Tabak is being monitored around the clock at Long Lartin jail, where he is on remand.

Staff at the top-security prison have been told to check the 32-year-old every 30 minutes throughout the day and night.

An insider said: "He has been placed under constant observation by the assessment care in custody team.

"He'll be escorted wherever he goes by two staff. Specialist psychiatrists will also be closely monitoring him

Latest news ADDED 27/01/11
Police confirm landlord is still a suspect in murder case despite charging another man.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by marney

Touched a nerve here again, must have, both posting at that time of night to get a point across. Interseting though.

Not interesting at all.

Two people pointing out your previous conclusions were wrong and no doubt are wrong again this time.

Oh but we did it at the same time of day. Well that definately makes us of the same ilk as the murderer, eh?

As for the suicide watch, people who get accused of crimes and remanded into custody till their trial often get depressed, the prison medical staff wont want to take chances, they will recommend a watch is put on them. This doesnt signify innocence or guilt.

What is interesting though is you still havent mastered how to quote or multi-quote yet, Sherlock.

[marney]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Not interesting at all.

Two people pointing out your previous conclusions were wrong and no doubt are wrong again this time.

Oh but we did it at the same time of day. Well that definately makes us of the same ilk as the murderer, eh?

As for the suicide watch, people who get accused of crimes and remanded into custody till their trial often get depressed, the prison medical staff wont want to take chances, they will recommend a watch is put on them. This doesnt signify innocence or guilt.

What is interesting though is you still havent mastered how to quote or multi-quote yet, Sherlock.

Why worry about that, quote or multi quote WHY THE PECISION, you have already understood what I said. Then there was Fred West, depressed I expect OR GUILTY.

Oh but we did it at the same time of day. Well that definately makes us of the same ilk as the murderer, eh?
I THINK YOU HAVE COPLETELY TAKEN THIS QUOTE OF CONTEXT. NEVER MIND.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by marney

Then there was Fred West, depressed I expect OR GUILTY.

I THINK YOU HAVE COPLETELY TAKEN THIS QUOTE OF CONTEXT. NEVER MIND.

You do realise that current statistics from the department of justice show that of people remanded in custody to await trial just over 20% of them are later released after charges were dropped or are found innocent at trial?

http://www.straightstatistics.org/ar...other-innocent
http://www.ws3.prisonreform.web.baig...on.asp?id=2125

Another interesting fact is that all people who are remanded into custody are put on suicide watch after an initial medical assessment if they show any signs of neurological disorder? Given that 58% of remanded prisoners do show such signs that is a lot of innocent people put on suicide watch.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...-uk-statistics
http://www.mind.org.uk/help/rights_a...justice_system

Being put on suicide watch isnt an indicator of guilt nor is actually attempting or committing suicide as your posts seem to indicate.

Being placed in custody and having all liberty removed as well as the stress of being accused of a crime and potentially being found guilty at trial even though you may be innocent is enough to affect the balance of even the sanest and most honest person's mind.