[marney]

Why change the habit of a lifetime, you were wrong on pretty much every thing you put forward so far.


Such as

I thought by your postings and the content we agreed on more or less the same line, that they were guilty, but now I see I was totally wrong in that assumption and you have more in common with Pyramid.






Certainly touched a nerve with Pyramid who is very "Cerebral" on other sites.

Highly probable that you could be wrong. You have been and with stark regularity up to now so I'd say it was a safe bet that you are wrong!

People of the same ilk as the mutter who murdered Jo are hell bent on defending the suspects? Ahh....... you mean in direct contrast to the way people like you want to hang, draw and quarter anyone (and everyone) that the police take more than a 2nd glance at - without you having been made aware of any hard fast and concrete evidence - happy to label them killers at the drop of a hat!

I'll say it again: we live in a land of innocent until proven guilty - and that applies even to those charges with crimes. Charges can be dropped. Here's something to really blow your mind - it also can apply to those convicted - ever heard of Miscarriage of Justice?
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Touched a nerve here again, must have, both posting at that time of night to get a point across. Interseting though.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by marney

Touched a nerve here again, must have, both posting at that time of night to get a point across. Interseting though.

Not interesting at all.

Two people pointing out your previous conclusions were wrong and no doubt are wrong again this time.

Oh but we did it at the same time of day. Well that definately makes us of the same ilk as the murderer, eh?

As for the suicide watch, people who get accused of crimes and remanded into custody till their trial often get depressed, the prison medical staff wont want to take chances, they will recommend a watch is put on them. This doesnt signify innocence or guilt.

What is interesting though is you still havent mastered how to quote or multi-quote yet, Sherlock.

[marney]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Not interesting at all.

Two people pointing out your previous conclusions were wrong and no doubt are wrong again this time.

Oh but we did it at the same time of day. Well that definately makes us of the same ilk as the murderer, eh?

As for the suicide watch, people who get accused of crimes and remanded into custody till their trial often get depressed, the prison medical staff wont want to take chances, they will recommend a watch is put on them. This doesnt signify innocence or guilt.

What is interesting though is you still havent mastered how to quote or multi-quote yet, Sherlock.

Why worry about that, quote or multi quote WHY THE PECISION, you have already understood what I said. Then there was Fred West, depressed I expect OR GUILTY.

Oh but we did it at the same time of day. Well that definately makes us of the same ilk as the murderer, eh?
I THINK YOU HAVE COPLETELY TAKEN THIS QUOTE OF CONTEXT. NEVER MIND.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by marney

Then there was Fred West, depressed I expect OR GUILTY.

I THINK YOU HAVE COPLETELY TAKEN THIS QUOTE OF CONTEXT. NEVER MIND.

You do realise that current statistics from the department of justice show that of people remanded in custody to await trial just over 20% of them are later released after charges were dropped or are found innocent at trial?

http://www.straightstatistics.org/ar...other-innocent
http://www.ws3.prisonreform.web.baig...on.asp?id=2125

Another interesting fact is that all people who are remanded into custody are put on suicide watch after an initial medical assessment if they show any signs of neurological disorder? Given that 58% of remanded prisoners do show such signs that is a lot of innocent people put on suicide watch.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...-uk-statistics
http://www.mind.org.uk/help/rights_a...justice_system

Being put on suicide watch isnt an indicator of guilt nor is actually attempting or committing suicide as your posts seem to indicate.

Being placed in custody and having all liberty removed as well as the stress of being accused of a crime and potentially being found guilty at trial even though you may be innocent is enough to affect the balance of even the sanest and most honest person's mind.

[marney]

Originally Posted by Mifletz

Is there any way Tabak could plead "guilty" and thereby avoid a trial? Or is there so much money involved, that his own lawyers won't let him? Or could the holding officers do a "Fred West" on him ie give him a belt to hang himself before the trial, and even help him along?!

Originally Posted by Shasown

You do realise that current statistics from the department of justice show that of people remanded in custody to await trial just over 20% of them are later released after charges were dropped or are found innocent at trial?

http://www.straightstatistics.org/ar...other-innocent
http://www.ws3.prisonreform.web.baig...on.asp?id=2125

Another interesting fact is that all people who are remanded into custody are put on suicide watch after an initial medical assessment if they show any signs of neurological disorder? Given that 58% of remanded prisoners do show such signs that is a lot of innocent people put on suicide watch.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...-uk-statistics
http://www.mind.org.uk/help/rights_a...justice_system

Being put on suicide watch isnt an indicator of guilt nor is actually attempting or committing suicide as your posts seem to indicate.

Being placed in custody and having all liberty removed as well as the stress of being accused of a crime and potentially being found guilty at trial even though you may be innocent is enough to affect the balance of even the sanest and most honest person's mind.

#

[CarriKP]

Originally Posted by Shasown

You do realise that current statistics from the department of justice show that of people remanded in custody to await trial just over 20% of them are later released after charges were dropped or are found innocent at trial?

http://www.straightstatistics.org/ar...other-innocent
http://www.ws3.prisonreform.web.baig...on.asp?id=2125

Another interesting fact is that all people who are remanded into custody are put on suicide watch after an initial medical assessment if they show any signs of neurological disorder? Given that 58% of remanded prisoners do show such signs that is a lot of innocent people put on suicide watch.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...-uk-statistics
http://www.mind.org.uk/help/rights_a...justice_system

Being put on suicide watch isnt an indicator of guilt nor is actually attempting or committing suicide as your posts seem to indicate.

Being placed in custody and having all liberty removed as well as the stress of being accused of a crime and potentially being found guilty at trial even though you may be innocent is enough to affect the balance of even the sanest and most honest person's mind.

Thank you for a balanced, thoughtful and informative post with useful links.

[

I]Being put on suicide watch isnt an indicator of guilt nor is actually attempting or committing suicide as your posts seem to indicate. [/I]

Absolutely!
i'm surprised that it's possible for people not to be able imagine what it's like being arrested and incarcerated - and as you say above 1 in 5 of those so treated are not guilty!

Being placed in custody and having all liberty removed as well as the stress of being accused of a crime and potentially being found guilty at trial even though you may be innocent is enough to affect the balance of even the sanest and most honest person's mind.[/QUOTE]
Indeed - I wonder why it's possible for people not to realise that - I would suggest that the more innocent are the more desperate
- not being believed despite pleading the truth ...
why do I seem to hear the baying of hounds? - I thought hunting had been made illegal? .....

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by CarriKP

Thank you for a balanced, thoughtful and informative post with useful links.

why do I seem to hear the baying of hounds? - I thought hunting had been made illegal? .....

Your welcome, am glad you found them informative.

Yeah I appreciate the hunting point, seems a lot of that happens on internet forums, something to do with the ability to vent regardless of knowledge or understanding.

Its a shame some people dont mull over the what ifs before posting vitriolic garbage.

[marney]

Got it wrong have they !!!!


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...in-prison.html

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

Why worry about that, quote or multi quote WHY THE PECISION, you have already understood what I said. Then there was Fred West, depressed I expect OR GUILTY.

Oh but we did it at the same time of day. Well that definately makes us of the same ilk as the murderer, eh?
I THINK YOU HAVE COPLETELY TAKEN THIS QUOTE OF CONTEXT. NEVER MIND.

Out of sheer interest Marney.

What is PECISION?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

Certainly touched a nerve with Pyramid who is very "Cerebral" on other sites.

Highly probable that you could be wrong. You have been and with stark regularity up to now so I'd say it was a safe bet that you are wrong!

People of the same ilk as the mutter who murdered Jo are hell bent on defending the suspects? Ahh....... you mean in direct contrast to the way people like you want to hang, draw and quarter anyone (and everyone) that the police take more than a 2nd glance at - without you having been made aware of any hard fast and concrete evidence - happy to label them killers at the drop of a hat!

I'll say it again: we live in a land of innocent until proven guilty - and that applies even to those charges with crimes. Charges can be dropped. Here's something to really blow your mind - it also can apply to those convicted - ever heard of Miscarriage of Justice?
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Touched a nerve here again, must have, both posting at that time of night to get a point across. Interseting though.

No nerves touched at all - it's quite funny as I am the bearer of bad news and may shatter your little made up fantasy world.... but I don't post on any other site. Used to be on DS before tibbs....but that's my whack.

Not that where I would chose to post has anything to do with you at all for that matter - but it's just brilliant knowing how wrong you are - and once again. You really are rubbish at playing detective.

While you're at it - for christ's sake, at least try to learn how to quote post correctly - having to deceipher your posts from what you are typing vs other people's posts being 'quoted', you pasting in news stories with no wrap tags etc..... is tedious to say the least.

As for your assumption (wrong again... do you see the pattern here!) - you think Shasown and I are the one person? Tell you what - go ask the mods. I look happy to you reporting back that you are once again wrong. PMSL.

[marney]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

As for youe assumption (wrong again... do you see the pattern here!) - you think Shasown and I are the one person? Tell you what - go ask the mods. I look happy to you reporting back that you are once again wrong. PMSL.

Where on earth was that mentioned that I think you and Shasown are one person, are you hallucinating.

It has been said on this site that you are a troll, I certainly believe that.


Out of sheer interest Marney.
What is PECISION? [/QUOTE] Have a guess go
on.

Oh and just another snipit I know you like them

Jo Yeates murder accused Vincent Tabak 'feels safe in jail'

by Don Mackay, Daily Mirror 27/01/2011

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by marney

THE SUN
THE man charged with the murder of Jo Yeates has been placed on suicide watch in prison.

Dutch-born Vincent Tabak is being monitored around the clock at Long Lartin jail, where he is on remand.

Staff at the top-security prison have been told to check the 32-year-old every 30 minutes throughout the day and night.

Originally Posted by marney

Oh and just another snipit I know you like them

Jo Yeates murder accused Vincent Tabak 'feels safe in jail'

by Don Mackay, Daily Mirror 27/01/2011

Makes me wonder, how you cant see the wood for the trees.

You quote the Sun saying he was in Long Larton Prison, thats in Evesham Worcestershire, its a Cat A (high security), under a suicide watch.

then you quote a mirror article claiming

The architect, 32, said he was coping well in Gloucester prison, where he is being held awaiting trial for the murder of Jo Yeates, 25.

He was moved from a jail in Bristol, the city in which Jo died
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22878251/

Gloucester and Bristol Prisons are both Cat B and the most likely locations for remand prisoners to be held.

Incidentally what was the "#" about when you quoted my post where I had challenged your point about "if he was innocent why would he need to be put on suicide watch" - post 651 in this thread?

[marney]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Makes me wonder, how you cant see the wood for the trees.

You quote the Sun saying he was in Long Larton Prison, thats in Evesham Worcestershire, its a Cat A (high security), under a suicide watch.

then you quote a mirror article claiming



Gloucester and Bristol Prisons are both Cat B and the most likely locations for remand prisoners to be held.

Incidentally what was the "#" about when you quoted my post where I had challenged your point about "if he was innocent why would he need to be put on suicide watch" - post 651 in this thread?

Yes if you look on other sites you will see that other people have also noticed the differences of these two reports The Sun and The Mirror 27th. I expect there was an overlap in time regarding the reports as he was probably moved the same day therefore it would appear conflicting news but actually it is not.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by marney

Yes if you look on other sites you will see that other people have also noticed the differences of these two reports The Sun and The Mirror 27th. I expect there was an overlap in time regarding the reports as he was probably moved the same day therefore it would appear conflicting news but actually it is not.

Err no, once again you have failed to grasp the situation or understand the information available to you.

He was remanded into custody awaiting trial, he was put into Bristol Prison which is a Cat B prison, he didnt feel secure there because he feared there may be local Bristolians amongst the population who would hold a grudge against him, he was then moved to Gloucester another Cat B prison.

Long Larton is a Cat A prison, they dont normally stick prisoners on remand in there, its for serious cons, as in convicted criminals with serious records, those who cause trouble like riots or persistent escapers.

Incidentally you didnt answer my question reference the # in your post 651.

[marney]

[QUOTE=Shasown;4075879]Err no, once again you have failed to grasp the situation or understand the information available to you.

He was remanded into custody awaiting trial, he was put into Bristol Prison which is a Cat B prison, he didnt feel secure there because he feared there may be local Bristolians amongst the population who would hold a grudge against him, he was then moved to Gloucester another Cat B prison.

Long Larton is a Cat A prison, they dont normally stick prisoners on remand in there, its for serious cons, as in convicted criminals with serious records, those who cause trouble like riots or persistent escapers.

E] Oh dear a slap on the wrist for not grasping it so what are the papers on about. Where is he.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

Yes if you look on other sites you will see that other people have also noticed the differences of these two reports The Sun and The Mirror 27th. I expect there was an overlap in time regarding the reports as he was probably moved the same day therefore it would appear conflicting news but actually it is not.

I'm not clear on why a member of tibbs, posting on a thread on tibbs, should be expected (or it even be suggested) that they should look on other sites for what other people 'notice' or have posted? I think the point Shasown was making was the contradictory nature of your own posts on this thread, on this forum.

You've been asked a few times now about your reply of "#' to a post that Shasown took time to explain to you - yet still you chose to avoid answering their question. Is there any particular reason you continue to do so, given that the information they gave was pertinent?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

Where on earth was that mentioned that I think you and Shasown are one person, are you hallucinating.

It has been said on this site that you are a troll, I certainly believe that.


Out of sheer interest Marney.
What is PECISION? Have a guess go
on.

Oh and just another snipit I know you like them

Jo Yeates murder accused Vincent Tabak 'feels safe in jail'

by Don Mackay, Daily Mirror 27/01/2011

Yep, classic signs of a troll ..... spending much time on a serious debate thread. PMSL.

No hallucinating here Marney - you're the one with the overactive imagination on many levels - a point shown time and time again on this very thread.

I see you didn't actually answer what I asked..... , what is PECISION.

Why you would find it amusing that an incarcerated man is quoted as saying he feels safe in jail, is bizarre to say the least. However, given that your postings are increasingly becoming more of that 'ilk', I shouldn't be surprised.

I see you still fail on the ability to use the quote facility.

[marney]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I certainly don't find it amusing where did I say that. The poor man should be regarded as a B case prisoner awaiting trial but has infract gone to an A graded prison .I certainly don't find it amusing where did I say that. The poor man should be regarded as a B case prisoner awaiting trial but has infract gone to an A graded prison .

Why you would find it amusing that an incarcerated man is quoted as saying he feels safe in jail, is bizarre to say the least. However, given that your postings are increasingly becoming more of that 'ilk', I shouldn't be surprised.

I see you still fail on the ability to use the quote facility.

I certainly don't find it amusing where did I say that. This man should be regarded as a B case prisoner awaiting trial but has infract gone to an A graded prison. I THINK I MAY HAVE USED THE QUOTE BUTTON FACILITY THIS TIME JUST FOR YOU

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by marney

I certainly don't find it amusing where did I say that. This man should be regarded as a B case prisoner awaiting trial but has infract gone to an A graded prison. I THINK I MAY HAVE USED THE QUOTE BUTTON FACILITY THIS TIME JUST FOR YOU

Gosh you dont think the smileys in this post of yours could give that impression?

Oh and just another snipit I know you like them

Jo Yeates murder accused Vincent Tabak 'feels safe in jail'

by Don Mackay, Daily Mirror 27/01/2011

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

Pyramid will contradict everything people post on this forum have you noticed.

I suggest you read what was written in respect of Mifletz post to which I replied, discussing the matter of 'dead weight' ..... you will see there is no contradiction. What I did do was offer up my own thoughts on whether there is a difference between the weight of a dead body, and the weight of an alive but unconscious person. Mifletz suggested there was a substantial difference in these weights - and my comment was worded quite clearly, in a manner which not only did I question if that was the case, I also mitigated my own uncertaintly by way of an explanation as to why I thought what I did. Try reading, digesting and at least try to understand context before criticising.

Originally Posted by marney

I certainly don't find it amusing where did I say that. This man should be regarded as a B case prisoner awaiting trial but has infract gone to an A graded prison. I THINK I MAY HAVE USED THE QUOTE BUTTON FACILITY THIS TIME JUST FOR YOU

If you didn't find your comment amusing, then why add in this smiley
-----> - you used it immediately after the comment in question. That smiley represents 'big grin'. Most big grins indicate amusement. What on earth else was this smiley meant to represent?

And no, still you are unable to master the simple art of hitting the quote button.

[marney]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I suggest you read what was written in respect of Mifletz post to which I replied, discussing the matter of 'dead weight' ..... you will see there is no contradiction. What I did do was offer up my own thoughts on whether there is a difference between the weight of a dead body, and the weight of an alive but unconscious person. Mifletz suggested there was a substantial difference in these weights - and my comment was worded quite clearly, in a manner which not only did I question if that was the case, I also mitigated my own uncertaintly by way of an explanation as to why I thought what I did. Try reading, digesting and at least try to understand context before criticising.



If you didn't find your comment amusing, then why add in this smiley
-----> - you used it immediately after the comment in question. That smiley represents 'big grin'. Most big grins indicate amusement. What on earth else was this smiley meant to represent?

And no, still you are unable to master the simple art of hitting the quote button.

I wish I was so perfect as youagain